ollie989898
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I never knew it was possible to treat grain with a moisture as high as that, that is handy considering the weather we are having!
home'n dry.....again
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I never knew it was possible to treat grain with a moisture as high as that, that is handy considering the weather we are having!
- Location
- Mendips Somerset
farmer finds it useful to get combine rolling early , can get a winter cover crop in , or get winter cereals in early . pressure off main harvest then , can combine for others as well .
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I’ve no idea, it’s not crimped grain, nor do I want (acidic) crimped grain.
I mix mine in the back corner of a shed, concrete panel walls on 2 sides and a wall of quads with a tarp on the other. I pull the tarp over from the bale wall to cover, Chuck a couple of tyres on to hold it down, then leave it for 10-14 days.
It will keep fine after. I have about 10t left at the back of the shed from the Spring now, which I made rather than mess about selling half a load.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I’d be very careful about going that high. You can’t have any green grains in it at all, or you get problems I believe.
Mine is usually 16%, or wetted to something like that if needs be. I did have a wet trailer load at 19% a few years ago, which I treated rather than try to dry it down with pedestals.
- Location
- Mendips Somerset
only what their man told me on phone , would think it gets hard to thrash above a certain level , prob 27% is more a wet load of ripe grain iyswim (like now)
Home n dry isn’t to be used on whole crop that is green for fermenting. If the crop is ripe, as in ready to combine then you can use home n dry to make alkalage. Very good feed to use. If the crop is flat, the reality is that a chopper will pick up far less crop than a combine will, so comes down to what your happy to leave behind in the field.
Be careful at that moisture. Ideally upto 20% moisture, if you are going higher you need to be lifting the rate of home n dry applied per tonne.
spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
coupla my bags had ripped corners on delivery....taped them up.......verdict?
if moisture has got in and it goes/has gone a bit lumpy make sure to break up them lumps thoroughly before adding to the mixer.
if theres yellow mould type on the lumps the holes/moisture if present has been in the bags for awhile.
As long as it doesn’t get damp will be fine.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Can you use those bags first (although they are often at the bottom of the pallet)?
Unless they’ve changed since my last delivery, the bags are perforated anyway, so I wouldn’t be too bothered tbh. Just make sure you break any lumps up to get an even mix, otherwise you might end up with a lump of urea in the final feed.
spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
....i'll leave + chance it i think....dark+ dry store
- Location
- Derbyshire UK
Have you had a bad do with acid treated corn?
Pros & cons of Home & Dry v Propcorn (Proprionic acid)?
Propcorned some oats a few years back, dribbled it on with watering can as oats went from trailer into auger. Oats kept well & rolled a treat.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Home n Dry is a lot easier to make, increases the protein of the feed by 3% or so, and makes it alkaline. I would most people that have ever fed concentrates ad-lib will have seen acidosis at one time or another, but sub-clinical acidosis is potentially a bigger negative. The treated grain will roll as well as it would before treating (or you can do it before treating), and it will store well. I've only used it for sheep, so don't process it.
Propcorn is about the same money iirc, but makes the feed even more acidic and doesn't increase protein. You can obviously add a buffer and some protein, but no/less need with Alkagrain.
I am happy to chuck the H n D pellets over a bucket of grain by hand, but I certainly wouldn't want to with an acid product.
ollie989898
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Apparently you can buy soda wheat or whatever you prefer to call it direct in loads from MVF. I couldn't for the life of me remember the name. I was wondering if the cost of this would compare at all with doing your own.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Caustic wheat? You can buy Alkagrain ready made from several different feed mills too.
No idea on pricing, but if it’s a cheap, simple job to do it yourself, why wouldn’t you? The only reason I’d buy from a feed mill is to have the feeding convenience of a nut/roll, so I can feed on the floor.
- Location
- Derbyshire UK
Yes the original Proprionic acid is rum stuff & no increase in protein, but readily available from local merchant & can be kept outside in blue barrel.
A bloke that sells the less aggressive Propcorn reckons that Proprionic acid is naturally occurring in the rumen?
Also H&D treated corn smells like it has been pee'd on be a thousand cats? Not a problem if stock eat it.
- Location
- Northumberland
Just got the results back of our treated homegrown barley. 17.4% moisture, 17% Protein and a PH of 9.3 This is barley straight of the combine with 5kg of Alpha and 25Kgs of urea per tonne. (15kgs urea is the standard but we add 25kgs to increase protein more for dairy cows)
Dave6170
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- Location
- Watten, caithness
is that all you do? Just pour what you need over a bucket load? Do you mix it on tbe floor a bit?