How about VALTRA T4?

[Snikeris4]

Hey guys. If someone have Valtra T4 series tractor, does it have enough power for hard works? how many rows plow you pull ant that speed you reach? And that transmissions you think is best? because I think about direct. Im interesting in everything.

 

[Snikeris4]

I also have Hattat a110 with 102 hp, but its weaker than belarus with 95 hp

 

[Finn farmer]

T-series ranges from T144 to T254, so there's quite a gap (over 100hp) between the smallest and largest one. The smallest should be able to pull a 5 furrow plough easily, whereas the largest should be more than capable of pulling 8 furrow trailed plough. Mind you that you shouldn't plough over 8km/h if you want to keep the weeds away.

Best engine in the market, decent transmission and good comfort. Haven't done that many hours in one, but would love to have one.

 

[valtraman]

I have a T154. I pull a 4 furrow reversible plough no problem with no weights on front in heavy clay. Runs a round baler chopping bales fine.

 

[valtraman]

I have a T154. I pull a 4 furrow reversible plough no problem with no weights on front in heavy clay. Runs a round baler chopping bales fine.

Active gearbox in mine very nice and smooth

 

[Snikeris4]

I have a T154. I pull a 4 furrow reversible plough no problem with no weights on front in heavy clay. Runs a round baler chopping bales fine.

How much grab one furrow in cm? 50 ?

 

[Snikeris4]

T-series ranges from T144 to T254, so there's quite a gap (over 100hp) between the smallest and largest one. The smallest should be able to pull a 5 furrow plough easily, whereas the largest should be more than capable of pulling 8 furrow trailed plough. Mind you that you shouldn't plough over 8km/h if you want to keep the weeds away.

Best engine in the market, decent transmission and good comfort. Haven't done that many hours in one, but would love to have one.

We think about T214 or T234

 

[valtraman]

How much grab one furrow in cm? 50 ?

14 inch my plough

 

[daveydiesel1]

Hey guys. If someone have Valtra T4 series tractor, does it have enough power for hard works? how many rows plow you pull ant that speed you reach? And that transmissions you think is best? because I think about direct. Im interesting in everything.

@DrDunc will be fit to fill you in about the direct tranny

 

[MF 168]

T174 here. Bought it new the 2nd half of last year and coming up on 1000 hours now. Fantastic tractor and miles ahead of the T160 it replaced. I pull a 6 furrow semi mounted plough with it and have a 1200 kg weight on the front links but it will plough away with no ballast on lighter land. I'm told it puts 185hp to the pto. I normally run at about 8.5km. Versu model and smart touch. I'm very happy with it and anyone else who drives it here likewise really like it.

 

[DrDunc]

@DrDunc will be fit to fill you in about the direct tranny

Direct box is lovely, but you need to understand that it's not like other varios!

It's definitely the one to have unless the tractor does predominantly road work, though even then, the ease of driving the direct would still make me go for that version over a versu or active powershift.

Where other brands have a 2 or 4 speed powershift box mated to the hydro units, the valtra direct has a 4 range that requires a full declutch to change range when the driver presses a button, not when the computer thinks it should change.

You can, however, set it to automatically shift between the higher speed C and D ranges for transport work. The shift is noticeable, but remarkably smooth and fast, with the (rare) downshift from D to C under full load especially impressive.

In practice you select the range that covers the speeds you need for the task. For example subsoiling select range A which has a maximum speed of about 6mph. For loader yard work or ploughing say, select B range with a maximum of 9mph.

Field work like mowing, hauling, even baling straw, select C range up to 16mph. Transport and road work, just set it to automatically shift C to D (which also downshifts) and it'll pull away from anything with any load, and out accelerate any powershift gearbox that I've experienced

Engine braking is superb and has an adjustable level of aggression via a dedicated button on the armrest. Driven sympathetically fully laden, and you need never touch the brakes. The clutch pedal only ever need be used to start the engine!

Engine droop and setting and forward / reverse speed ratio that isn't 1:1 couldn't be simpler to adjust, just two rotary dials, no need to enter a computer screen.

I'd demo a direct and a versu/active to see how they compare if you're unsure, then buy the direct ?

 

[Snikeris4]

T174 here. Bought it new the 2nd half of last year and coming up on 1000 hours now. Fantastic tractor and miles ahead of the T160 it replaced. I pull a 6 furrow semi mounted plough with it and have a 1200 kg weight on the front links but it will plough away with no ballast on lighter land. I'm told it puts 185hp to the pto. I normally run at about 8.5km. Versu model and smart touch. I'm very happy with it and anyone else who drives it here likewise really like it.

it is comfortable in transport?

 

[Snikeris4]

Direct box is lovely, but you need to understand that it's not like other varios!

It's definitely the one to have unless the tractor does predominantly road work, though even then, the ease of driving the direct would still make me go for that version over a versu or active powershift.

Where other brands have a 2 or 4 speed powershift box mated to the hydro units, the valtra direct has a 4 range that requires a full declutch to change range when the driver presses a button, not when the computer thinks it should change.

You can, however, set it to automatically shift between the higher speed C and D ranges for transport work. The shift is noticeable, but remarkably smooth and fast, with the (rare) downshift from D to C under full load especially impressive.

In practice you select the range that covers the speeds you need for the task. For example subsoiling select range A which has a maximum speed of about 6mph. For loader yard work or ploughing say, select B range with a maximum of 9mph.

Field work like mowing, hauling, even baling straw, select C range up to 16mph. Transport and road work, just set it to automatically shift C to D (which also downshifts) and it'll pull away from anything with any load, and out accelerate any powershift gearbox that I've experienced

Engine braking is superb and has an adjustable level of aggression via a dedicated button on the armrest. Driven sympathetically fully laden, and you need never touch the brakes. The clutch pedal only ever need be used to start the engine!

Engine droop and setting and forward / reverse speed ratio that isn't 1:1 couldn't be simpler to adjust, just two rotary dials, no need to enter a computer screen.

I'd demo a direct and a versu/active to see how they compare if you're unsure, then buy the direct ?

I know that it ist a vario, I have to choose between MS 7720s with vario with 2 range ant that valtra

 

[Snikeris4]

I know that it ist a vario, I have to choose between MS 7720s with vario with 2 range ant that valtra

I wonder with transmission is more reliable

 

[daveydiesel1]

Direct box is lovely, but you need to understand that it's not like other varios!

It's definitely the one to have unless the tractor does predominantly road work, though even then, the ease of driving the direct would still make me go for that version over a versu or active powershift.

Where other brands have a 2 or 4 speed powershift box mated to the hydro units, the valtra direct has a 4 range that requires a full declutch to change range when the driver presses a button, not when the computer thinks it should change.

You can, however, set it to automatically shift between the higher speed C and D ranges for transport work. The shift is noticeable, but remarkably smooth and fast, with the (rare) downshift from D to C under full load especially impressive.

In practice you select the range that covers the speeds you need for the task. For example subsoiling select range A which has a maximum speed of about 6mph. For loader yard work or ploughing say, select B range with a maximum of 9mph.

Field work like mowing, hauling, even baling straw, select C range up to 16mph. Transport and road work, just set it to automatically shift C to D (which also downshifts) and it'll pull away from anything with any load, and out accelerate any powershift gearbox that I've experienced

Engine braking is superb and has an adjustable level of aggression via a dedicated button on the armrest. Driven sympathetically fully laden, and you need never touch the brakes. The clutch pedal only ever need be used to start the engine!

Engine droop and setting and forward / reverse speed ratio that isn't 1:1 couldn't be simpler to adjust, just two rotary dials, no need to enter a computer screen.

I'd demo a direct and a versu/active to see how they compare if you're unsure, then buy the direct ?

Dunc is it possible to start of in range d at end o roads way say a tanker or trailer thats full or is it to high geared for that?

 

[michael N123]

Dunc is it possible to start of in range d at end o roads way say a tanker or trailer thats full or is it to high geared for that?

My valtra N with the power shift gearbox says always set off in C in the book but it is very high geared being a 60k box

I just leave it in auto for roadwork now

 

[MF 168]

it is comfortable in transport?

Extremely comfortable. Front axle suspension is on air and really irons out the bumps and I went for cab suspension as well and it's well worth having. I opted for the powershift transmission. It's got all the speeds I'll ever need.

 

[DrDunc]

Dunc is it possible to start of in range d at end o roads way say a tanker or trailer thats full or is it to high geared for that?

Aye it'll pull away in D no bother. If the load and/or the incline is too big, it'll automatically shift down to C.

If you need to brake sharply it'll shift to C. You can't stall it, or drive like a pratt and damage it prematurely

 

[daveydiesel1]

So how does it compare to the deutzs you have if am gettin that right?

 

[DrDunc]

So how does it compare to the deutzs you have if am gettin that right?

I have a k430 and traded a 6150.4 with a quicke q56 boom for a two year old n134 direct, which I put on a q5m loader.

For loader work, there is absolutely no comparison worth considering. The Vario gearbox means only ever touching the "throttle" pedal, never the clutch and brakes.

Valtra specific, the cab and front axle suspension on the 4th generation is a huge improvement over the Deutz, and indeed over the previous model valtras.

However that's comparing a near thirty year old Deutz cab and axle design to the all new valtra. I couldn't afford a (much improved) new model Deutz, and second hand are even rarer than a politician keeping their promises.

Grip is definitely greater, whether it's the 60/40 rear/front weight distribution, the radar anti slip, or slightly larger tyres, I don't know, but it's markedly better.

Rear lift capacity, and range of lift arc are very similar, but Deutz and valtra have always been way ahead of anything else anyway.

I've not done anywhere near enough work with the new pony to directly compare fuel usage yet. On road haulage the (lower HP) valtra does drink more, but again that could well be that I'm not driving it as efficiently as is possible. On light duty loader yard and field work, it's using a little less. I'm hoping that for ploughing, baling etc, the direct gearbox efficiency will compensate for the sisu engine that on paper is definitely thirstier than the Deutz.

Parts backup and service from the local agco dealer, Ross of Lanark, has been tremendous, with very fast response to the wee teething niggles it's had, advice on how to get the best out of the tractor, and how best to look after it.

I've no idea if it'll hold value or be as cheap to run and own as the older model Deutz tractors that I've most recently run, but the 4th generation valtra direct is most definitely a huge leap up in comfort and ease of operation.