How do you get vegans to accept cows?

Vader

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Mixed Farmer
Is anyone really listening to them ?

I was at a motorway service last week, the McDonald’s q was massive ………….. Leon next door was tumble weed !


I wouldn’t worry or give them the airtime the BBC love to ………. truth is 99,9% of people really do not care
Seems gov, etc are as all talk about reducing meat intake...
Trees instead of pasture.
Its all related to the anti meat pressure.
Ppl maybe not stopping eating meat, but gov is policy making due to vegan types pressure.
 
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Clive

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We are all TOLD and KNOW we should eat less sugar, drink less alcohol, less calories, exercise more etc AND in that case we KNOW doing so makes sense and will be good for us

How many actual do these things though ? very few based on rising obesity rates (especially in next generation)


Honestly I would not waste another word on Vegans, let them get on with it , see them as opportunity and supply their niche with suitably overpriced virtue signalling products, I am 100% certain it is not going to become the normal
 

Ffermer Bach

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@delilah
this is not at you, just you have said they are on our side before.
I am reading a book now that is science based and shows farming animals, if done correctly can reduce global co2 on a massive scale.
But how do we stop the vegan zealots spewing out their anti meat lies to the public and dominating the agenda?
I had a chat to the AHDB rep at Down2Earth farming conference in Shropshire recently, and she told me the figures for people being Vegan/Veggie (sorry I can't remember them) however, it does not seem to be rising and is very small. It is just that a lot of our media and Councils seem to be very keen on being Vegan. I am in a bit of a quandary as to whether I should worry about them or not.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Seems gov, etc are as all talk about reducing meat intake...
Trees instead of pasture.
Its all related to the anti meat pressure.
Ppl maybe not stopping eating meat, but gov is policy making due to vegan types pressure.
I am hoping that now Carrie is out of the picture in No 10, subliminal government policy may change in that respect. But in Wales we still have Mark Drakeford wanting us to plant 10% of our land with trees.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Like Clive says don't worry about them.
Far more importantly we should get our own house in order, that is to say get the NFU, AHDB, NBA, NSA and others to stop spewing out their anti meat lies to the public.
The problem is, that our Civil Servants/Politicians are drawn from the same small clique that has those vegan views as being very predominant.
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
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Co Antrim
We are all TOLD and KNOW we should eat less sugar, drink less alcohol, less calories, exercise more etc AND in that case we KNOW doing so makes sense and will be good for us

How many actual do these things though ? very few based on rising obesity rates (especially in next generation)


Honestly I would not waste another word on Vegans, let them get on with it , see them as opportunity and supply their niche with suitably overpriced virtue signalling products, I am 100% certain it is not going to become the normal

Generally agree with your post, but as dairy, beef and egg producer, I'm unable to to supply their niche market. They want my animals gone and my land planted with trees as most of it is not suitable for cropping so I need someone to fight my corner against them.
 
Hopefully inflation/recession will see most of the vegans off, but there will always be 0.002% of the population who will continue to see Moonbat as some sort of Messiah.

Thankfully the other 99.998% understand that ending farming is a bad idea and that he's just a champagne socialist charlatan.
 

Vader

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Mixed Farmer
Hopefully inflation/recession will see most of the vegans off, but there will always be 0.002% of the population who will continue to see Moonbat as some sort of Messiah.

Thankfully the other 99.998% understand that ending farming is a bad idea and that he's just a champagne socialist charlatan.
99.998% dont understand that, a lot of them dont think or understand food or its production at all.
Most dont know who moonbat is.
The problem is he has the ear of the small % what matter, people in power...
 
99.998% dont understand that, a lot of them dont think or understand food or its production at all.
Most dont know who moonbat is.
The problem is he has the ear of the small % what matter, people in power...

Consumers don't need to understand food and farming, beyond realising that food tends to come from farms.

I would agree that only a small minority of average people stopped on an average street would recognise his face or his name, or know what he rants about.
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
@delilah
this is not at you, just you have said they are on our side before.
I am reading a book now that is science based and shows farming animals, if done correctly can reduce global co2 on a massive scale.
But how do we stop the vegan zealots spewing out their anti meat lies to the public and dominating the agenda?
We've lost such an enormous amount of ground that the "war" looks unwinnable. I say looks, but I don't think the majority are really that arsed about the whole thing, as others have said. There are many times more ex-vegans than there are vegans. It's a simple but comforting fact, never lose sight of that.

"A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its trousers on."

The real danger is the influence they seem to be exerting on our rulers, who are only too happy to bend over backwards in the hope that they pick up a handful of votes from a tiny percentage of the electorate. I conclude they aren't very good at maths. The evidence is obvious.

I'm also happy in the knowledge that the best available science shows that farming can improve but that it isn't fundamentally evil. The vegans love the worst available "science" and that is what they are shouting. I'd be absolutely terrified if their "science" was right, but it isn't.

The NFU and the rest of our "advisory" bodies/groups are a different matter entirely ......
 

Bongodog

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The problem is, that our Civil Servants/Politicians are drawn from the same small clique that has those vegan views as being very predominant.

Some may be, the main problem however is that people with extreme views are always exceedingly adept at putting them over, if you are a politican or civil servant and you have a handful of people emailing you on a regular basis regarding cycle schemes, vegan lunches, transgender toilets etc, whilst you may well be fully aware that they are a very small minority, they are difficult to ignore. The majority will grumble but very rarely even contact their council or mp.
If they do they usually have very little idea of how to get their viewpoint over. Meanwhile the vegan activist knows exactly how many signatories they need in order to demand a debate at a council meeting, which lines of legislation to quote etc.
A former Council leader explained it to me as follows when I challenged him regarding local highway "improvements" that made life marginally better for the cycling minority, 0x worse for drivers and potentially fatal for pedestrians. The cycle lobby turn up at every meeting, the motorists and pedestrians never.

In the case of the above the AA and RAC were originally set up to campaign for motorists rights, along the way however they have become commercial breakdown and insurance services, this leaves no one campaign for the motorist.

In regard to the vegan lobby, livestock farmers do have a body they all finance namely AHDB beef & lamb, they should be actively countering every vegan press release using the levy money paid to them.
 

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