How early can you drill winter wheat?

[Jimbo26]

Without worrying about disease and grassweeds. Theoretically how early could you drill winter wheat without it going to ear by Xmas? I understand the winter varieties need to go through the vernalisation period, but that most varieties don't require this as much now due to cross breeding with spring varieties. Hence people drilling winter wheat varieties in March!

What wheat variety would require a good vernalisation period?

 

[teslacoils]

Now. Bang it in. Claire. 80kg/ha.

Claire iirc had the widest sowing window, with slow development for August sowing, but low vernalization for march sowing. Easy threshing. Decent premium.

 

[Hindsight]

Without worrying about disease and grassweeds. Theoretically how early could you drill winter wheat without it going to ear by Xmas? I understand the winter varieties need to go through the vernalisation period, but that most varieties don't require this as much now due to cross breeding with spring varieties. Hence people drilling winter wheat varieties in March!

What wheat variety would require a good vernalisation period?

Grafton

 

[T Hectares]

I've drilled wheat ( slow developers like Claire) in early September and knew of late August drilled crops, but why would you??
All you do is increase growing costs and disease/pest pressure without increasing yield, the late Sept - mid Oct period is usually the best one for optimum yield.

 

[farenheit]

I've drilled wheat ( slow developers like Claire) in early September and knew of late August drilled crops, but why would you??
All you do is increase growing costs and disease/pest pressure without increasing yield, the late Sept - mid Oct period is usually the best one for optimum yield.

I guess the answer to why would be "autumn 2019" but you are of course completely correct that it is a slightly absurd idea.

 

[T Hectares]

I guess the answer to why would be "autumn 2019" but you are of course completely correct that it is a slightly absurd idea.

And the autumns of 2012, 2008 and 2000 in the last couple of decades !!

 

[Brisel]

I've drilled wheat ( slow developers like Claire) in early September and knew of late August drilled crops, but why would you??
All you do is increase growing costs and disease/pest pressure without increasing yield, the late Sept - mid Oct period is usually the best one for optimum yield.

Certainly optimum margin for late Sept onwards in the South. More sustainable too.

 

[4course]

leave a corner un harvested ,when the ears are more than a third to a half empty i.e shed their grain thats natures time to sow and the dates vary year to year but usually between 20 th sept and 12 /15 th of oct but bear in mind my northerly position. another guide is when the damsons dont need extra sugar to make damson gin but there wont be a lot left by then ,think early spatlese

 

[T Hectares]

Certainly optimum margin for late Sept onwards in the South. More sustainable too.

A bit different situation to where you are now maybe??

 

[T Hectares]

leave a corner un harvested ,when the ears are more than a third to a half empty i.e shed their grain thats natures time to sow and the dates vary year to year but usually between 20 th sept and 12 /15 th of oct but bear in mind my northerly position. another guide is when the damsons dont need extra sugar to make damson gin but there wont be a lot left by then ,think early spatlese

I can certainly recall a field of Oakley on a past farm drilled early in a late, high downland situation in Wilts that was in the ground for 366 days, I guess many of our northern and Scottish members will have seen that many times!!

 

[4course]

I can certainly recall a field of Oakley on a past farm drilled early in a late, high downland situation in Wilts that was in the ground for 366 days, I guess many of our northern and Scottish members will have seen that many times!!

pal of mine not far away is as I type combining osr that was sown over a year ago and next years crop is emerged and im not 1/2 way up the uk even if classed as up north

 

[teslacoils]

I drilled cordiale at 100kg on 4th September once....was very early.

 

[4course]

I drilled cordiale at 100kg on 4th September once....was very early.

wasnt cordiale but was sown 4/5 sept about 30 years ago and despite baytan dressing it blued off i.e moulded in the dry soils

 

[Bury the Trash]

Drill it now, pre em. then when its dry enough in winter eat it off with sheep. but no later than the new year

 

[Fish]

^^^ that's what they do in Kansas, not sheep but cattle.

 

[Hindsight]

Early 80s farm I worked on started sowing sown 2nd or 3rd September Lincolnshire coast, varieties Virtue and Norman.

 

[PSQ]

Near neighbour used to try to be finished planting wheat by the 15th September. We try to sow between the 15th of September and the end of the month.

 

[D14]

Without worrying about disease and grassweeds. Theoretically how early could you drill winter wheat without it going to ear by Xmas? I understand the winter varieties need to go through the vernalisation period, but that most varieties don't require this as much now due to cross breeding with spring varieties. Hence people drilling winter wheat varieties in March!

What wheat variety would require a good vernalisation period?

Years ago as a student my job was to drill 1500ac with a 4m combi drill. I started 1st sept and drilled till 15th November then started again 15th Feb till end of March. Winter wheat, winter barley and spring barley. Straight onto ploughing and we generally managed about 25ac per day. The wheat was all Claire and it grew fine from early sept onwards.

 

[farmerm]

My Neighbour is planning to combine a field he unintentionally drilled with the combine last August.... another has been known to have finished drilling by the 15th September.

I have never seen an autumn drilled, autumn variety start stem extension let alone go to ear before spring.

 

[ajd132]

When is optimum for conventional winter malting barley? Mid sept?