How greenhouse gas emissions are calculated...

Chris F

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Hammerwich
There is definitely some creative accounting going on when it comes to greenhouse gases and sources. The scary bit is that this then drives legislation. This one is pretty impressive though to just be omitted from the calculations:

"Leaks from oil and gas wells spew 8 million metric tonnes (MMT) of methane into the atmosphere every year, more than the combined enteric and manure methane emissions from the U.S. cattle herd (beef and dairy) of ~7 MMT CH4. To date, these ultra-emitting leaks have not been included in national inventories of greenhouse gases. The measurements were enabled by satellites. It's great to see how scientific and technological advances are improving our understanding of environmental sustainability."

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ref: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj4351
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
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Cumbria
There is definitely some creative accounting going on when it comes to greenhouse gases and sources. The scary bit is that this then drives legislation. This one is pretty impressive though to just be omitted from the calculations:

"Leaks from oil and gas wells spew 8 million metric tonnes (MMT) of methane into the atmosphere every year, more than the combined enteric and manure methane emissions from the U.S. cattle herd (beef and dairy) of ~7 MMT CH4. To date, these ultra-emitting leaks have not been included in national inventories of greenhouse gases. The measurements were enabled by satellites. It's great to see how scientific and technological advances are improving our understanding of environmental sustainability."

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ref: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj4351
I’m assuming that your link is where the BBC got their story from, I was gonna post it and still will later.

Methane levels in the atmosphere are increasing and I’ve seen many quotes saying the scientists are mystified. Seems bleeding obvious to me and many others. Permafrost melting but more importantly this. Estimates of fossil fuel leakage are shockingly low and this demonstrates this. The industry is lying through its teeth through both ignorance and a hope that no one notices. The cat is starting to come out of the bag.
 

ski

Member

What is the point?​

This is the Satellite Temperature Graph Google Doesn’t Want You to See


This is the latest January temperature record produced by satellites accurately taking global measurements on a 24 hour basis. It shows barely any deviation last month (0.03°C) from the 1991-2020 average as shown by the blue line. The 13 month red line average reveals movement of just over 0.1°C. Furthermore, the satellite record is now revealing no global warming for seven years and three months.
The data is compiled by Dr. Roy Spencer from the University of Alabama, who was kicked off Google Adsense recently for publishing “unreliable and harmful claims”. The move demonetised Dr. Spencer’s monthly satellite update page by removing all Google-suppled advertising. Google says it will ban all sites that are sceptical of “well-established scientific consensus”.
Dr Spencer has been compiling satellite temperature data for 43 years and has received awards for his work from NASA and the American Meteorological Society. He is currently working with NASA on the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on the Aqua satellite.
Satellite data shows less warming than surface measurements, which are prone to the bias caused by urban heat distortions. In the U.K., many of the recent “records” arise from city-based recorders. In July 2019, a U.K. record hot day of 38.7°C was produced in the middle of Cambridge, a city that has grown by 40,000 people over the last 40 years. The U.K. Met Office seems particularly keen on promoting its thermometer readings at Heathrow airport, a massive industrial estate with acres of concrete and tarmac and constantly moving jet aircraft. Needless to say, the surface measurements are the record of choice for media and political thermogeddonites.
However, not all surface measurements accord with the well-established scientific consensus. The recent news that the South Pole had its coldest six month winter since records began was largely ignored by mainstream media. In the world of green political activism, all surface temperature measurements are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Away from the surface distortions, satellites take constant measurements as they circle the globe. The seven-year standstill is graphically shown by further work from the University of Alabama, below.
THIS IS THE SATELLITE TEMPERATURE GRAPH GOOGLE DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
I’m assuming that your link is where the BBC got their story from, I was gonna post it and still will later.

Methane levels in the atmosphere are increasing and I’ve seen many quotes saying the scientists are mystified. Seems bleeding obvious to me and many others. Permafrost melting but more importantly this. Estimates of fossil fuel leakage are shockingly low and this demonstrates this. The industry is lying through its teeth through both ignorance and a hope that no one notices. The cat is starting to come out of the bag.

It would be nice if the truth made an appearance.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds

What is the point?​

This is the Satellite Temperature Graph Google Doesn’t Want You to See


This is the latest January temperature record produced by satellites accurately taking global measurements on a 24 hour basis. It shows barely any deviation last month (0.03°C) from the 1991-2020 average as shown by the blue line. The 13 month red line average reveals movement of just over 0.1°C. Furthermore, the satellite record is now revealing no global warming for seven years and three months.
The data is compiled by Dr. Roy Spencer from the University of Alabama, who was kicked off Google Adsense recently for publishing “unreliable and harmful claims”. The move demonetised Dr. Spencer’s monthly satellite update page by removing all Google-suppled advertising. Google says it will ban all sites that are sceptical of “well-established scientific consensus”.
Dr Spencer has been compiling satellite temperature data for 43 years and has received awards for his work from NASA and the American Meteorological Society. He is currently working with NASA on the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on the Aqua satellite.
Satellite data shows less warming than surface measurements, which are prone to the bias caused by urban heat distortions. In the U.K., many of the recent “records” arise from city-based recorders. In July 2019, a U.K. record hot day of 38.7°C was produced in the middle of Cambridge, a city that has grown by 40,000 people over the last 40 years. The U.K. Met Office seems particularly keen on promoting its thermometer readings at Heathrow airport, a massive industrial estate with acres of concrete and tarmac and constantly moving jet aircraft. Needless to say, the surface measurements are the record of choice for media and political thermogeddonites.
However, not all surface measurements accord with the well-established scientific consensus. The recent news that the South Pole had its coldest six month winter since records began was largely ignored by mainstream media. In the world of green political activism, all surface temperature measurements are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Away from the surface distortions, satellites take constant measurements as they circle the globe. The seven-year standstill is graphically shown by further work from the University of Alabama, below.
THIS IS THE SATELLITE TEMPERATURE GRAPH GOOGLE DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE

Well that shows a graph demonstrating beyond doubt that global warming is happening, what is your argument?
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer

What is the point?​

This is the Satellite Temperature Graph Google Doesn’t Want You to See


This is the latest January temperature record produced by satellites accurately taking global measurements on a 24 hour basis. It shows barely any deviation last month (0.03°C) from the 1991-2020 average as shown by the blue line. The 13 month red line average reveals movement of just over 0.1°C. Furthermore, the satellite record is now revealing no global warming for seven years and three months.
The data is compiled by Dr. Roy Spencer from the University of Alabama, who was kicked off Google Adsense recently for publishing “unreliable and harmful claims”. The move demonetised Dr. Spencer’s monthly satellite update page by removing all Google-suppled advertising. Google says it will ban all sites that are sceptical of “well-established scientific consensus”.
Dr Spencer has been compiling satellite temperature data for 43 years and has received awards for his work from NASA and the American Meteorological Society. He is currently working with NASA on the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on the Aqua satellite.
Satellite data shows less warming than surface measurements, which are prone to the bias caused by urban heat distortions. In the U.K., many of the recent “records” arise from city-based recorders. In July 2019, a U.K. record hot day of 38.7°C was produced in the middle of Cambridge, a city that has grown by 40,000 people over the last 40 years. The U.K. Met Office seems particularly keen on promoting its thermometer readings at Heathrow airport, a massive industrial estate with acres of concrete and tarmac and constantly moving jet aircraft. Needless to say, the surface measurements are the record of choice for media and political thermogeddonites.
However, not all surface measurements accord with the well-established scientific consensus. The recent news that the South Pole had its coldest six month winter since records began was largely ignored by mainstream media. In the world of green political activism, all surface temperature measurements are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Away from the surface distortions, satellites take constant measurements as they circle the globe. The seven-year standstill is graphically shown by further work from the University of Alabama, below.
THIS IS THE SATELLITE TEMPERATURE GRAPH GOOGLE DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE

Ah, Dr Spencer, who is also a signatory to the Evangelical declaration on global warming which states that "We believe Earth and its ecosystems—created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence—are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history."

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Well that shows a graph demonstrating beyond doubt that global warming is happening, what is your argument?
Yeah, I’m scratching my head at the selection of one month out of a period covering 43 years. Seems odd to pick out one when they’ve thoughtfully provided a 13 month average in plain view.
 

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