How is Brexit for you?

[Cowabunga]

The simple reason that the EU considered stopping vaccine leaving was that AZ had taken vaccine from here to the UK while you had more at the time that you could physically get into people twice over. While the AZ plant in Belgium was stopped and only Holland was producing.
It was only ever intended as a short term measure although the fallout made the EU make export conditions mandatory.
Trump had stopped any vaccine being exported from the US , using an executive order, Biden has not lifted it. This is why the EU is supplying Canada!

You keep saying that AZ had some vaccine exported from Holland to the UK, but just how much was that and for how long? Was and is it at all significant? When you consider that the AZ vaccine is now being produced at several plants on the continent plus three in the UK, at Oxford, Keele and Wrexham and the UK is now producing a surplus to export over and above the domestic requirement or ability to vaccinate people daily, is your pet peeve really of any relevance any more? Was it ever?

 

[le bon paysan]

You keep saying that AZ had some vaccine exported from Holland to the UK, but just how much was that and for how long? Was and is it at all significant? When you consider that the AZ vaccine is now being produced at several plants on the continent plus three in the UK, at Oxford, Keele and Wrexham and the UK is now producing a surplus to export over and above the domestic requirement or ability to vaccinate people daily, is your pet peeve really of any relevance any more? Was it ever?

It was very relevant at the time!
You can't inject what you haven't got. At least 3 artics went from Belgium and more from Holland. Yet vaccine centers here were empty as they'd run out. You had far more than you could inject, even with the brilliant vaccination campaign being run.
All the UK press do is wind it up into a Brits. v EU competition and it's a AZ v EU contract dispute. Boris has been very careful to keep out of it as much as he can.
This is from January before the UK / AZ contract showing the UK signed after the EU was published

AstraZeneca obligation to supply EU with UK-made vaccines exposed

The European Commission's contract with AstraZeneca to supply COVID-19 vaccines includes Britain along with the EU as places where the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker should make its best efforts to manufacture its vaccines for the EU.

www.euractiv.com

 

[Two Tone]

It was very relevant at the time!
You can't inject what you haven't got. At least 3 artics went from Belgium and more from Holland. Yet vaccine centers here were empty as they'd run out. You had far more than you could inject, even with the brilliant vaccination campaign being run.
All the UK press do is wind it up into a Brits. v EU competition and it's a AZ v EU contract dispute. Boris has been very careful to keep out of it as much as he can.
This is from January before the UK / AZ contract showing the UK signed after the EU was published

AstraZeneca obligation to supply EU with UK-made vaccines exposed

The European Commission's contract with AstraZeneca to supply COVID-19 vaccines includes Britain along with the EU as places where the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker should make its best efforts to manufacture its vaccines for the EU.

www.euractiv.com

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Your link is a European publication, not a UK one.

You posted earlier a link from France 24 in which it stated the souring relationship between it and AZ.
Is it any surprise that AZ takes a view of offence when it is offering something that will save their lives?

We don’t get that anything like as much that sort of sh!te stirring crap about the different vaccines over here, thank goodness.
You moved to France to escape the bureaucracy associated with U.K. farming and be concentrate on being able to farm.
Sounds to me like you have inherited a whole lot of different sh!te stirring problems.

 

[Boohoo]

The simple reason that the EU considered stopping vaccine leaving was that AZ had taken vaccine from here to the UK while you had more at the time that you could physically get into people twice over. While the AZ plant in Belgium was stopped and only Holland was producing.
It was only ever intended as a short term measure although the fallout made the EU make export conditions mandatory.
Trump had stopped any vaccine being exported from the US , using an executive order, Biden has not lifted it. This is why the EU is supplying Canada!

The UK has never had more vaccine than it can administer, the supply of vaccine has always been the limiting factor. Where have you got the idea that the UK had twice what it could administer?

 

[JP1]

Are you fudgeing thick!
They used their holiday homes for holidays , staying in the summer and again to avoid the UK winter and then were to retire into them. Those that haven't yet retired don't have enough income to come permanently. Even though it's enough to support them it doesn't meet the new rules for third country citizens. Have you actually looked at how much you need to move here now?

May I ask how much?

 

[bobk]

May I ask how much?

Spain 30,000 euro
France 16,000
But if you have paid for your maison there are dispensations
That's for a couple

 

[Cowabunga]

It was very relevant at the time!
You can't inject what you haven't got. At least 3 artics went from Belgium and more from Holland. Yet vaccine centers here were empty as they'd run out. You had far more than you could inject, even with the brilliant vaccination campaign being run.
All the UK press do is wind it up into a Brits. v EU competition and it's a AZ v EU contract dispute. Boris has been very careful to keep out of it as much as he can.
This is from January before the UK / AZ contract showing the UK signed after the EU was published

AstraZeneca obligation to supply EU with UK-made vaccines exposed

The European Commission's contract with AstraZeneca to supply COVID-19 vaccines includes Britain along with the EU as places where the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker should make its best efforts to manufacture its vaccines for the EU.

www.euractiv.com

I believe the vaccines from Belgium were at the time concerned, and are the Pfizer, not Oxford. Pfizer was licensed first in the UK and both were some weeks before the EU decided to finally license them, which was after they went on their Christmas holidays and they weren't able to actually use any significant amount until the New Year had passed. The UK vaccinated throughout the Christmas period.
From the above link..
"The contract does not say whether AstraZeneca is obliged to send vaccines produced in Britain to the European Union. The Commission has said it does have the right to doses made in Britain."
It also goes on to say that projected production of AZ vaccine in Belgium had been cut by 60% due to production difficulties and at the same time Pfizer-BioNTech said it was cutting production due to preparation for actually expanding production in the medium term. None of which are the UK's responsibility and news of which came after early exports from there to the UK due to the EU not actually being ready to start using the stuff.

Part of Pfizer's problem in production is in sourcing lipid nonoparticles that carries the RNA vaccine into cells. I don't pretend to understand how that works, only that production of those lipid nano particles is throttling Pfizer's production volume in Belgium and the USA. However they have claimed that before long they will be up to speed and will have produced 2 Billion doses by the end of the year.

There is much politicking and blame throwing in Europe because of their regulatory and production delays. It is expedient for their politicians to project blame on an outsider for their own lack of urgency and ineptitude which has since become apparent. This makes a change, because it is also very common, indeed more common for certain factions in the UK to throw unwarranted dirt in the other direction.

 

[le bon paysan]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Your link is a European publication, not a UK one.

You posted earlier a link from France 24 in which it stated the souring relationship between it and AZ.
Is it any surprise that AZ takes a view of offence when it is offering something that will save their lives?

We don’t get that anything like as much that sort of sh!te stirring crap about the different vaccines over here, thank goodness.
You moved to France to escape the bureaucracy associated with U.K. farming and be concentrate on being able to farm.
Sounds to me like you have inherited a whole lot of different sh!te stirring problems.

No doubt the daily excrement is more in line with your point of view. They even turned the loss of financial passporting into a headline of EU humiliated! If you actually moved past the headline. Not at all! But hey ho!

 

[stewart]

Spain 30,000 euro
France 16,000
But if you have paid for your maison there are dispensations
That's for a couple

Can you live anywhere for 16,000 Euro (apart from third world countries)

 

[bobk]

Can you live anywhere for 16,000 Euro (apart from third world countries)

That's the income level to live there . plus a medical insurance

 

[Two Tone]

No doubt the daily excrement is more in line with your point of view. They even turned the loss of financial passporting into a headline of EU humiliated! If you actually moved past the headline. Not at all! But hey ho!

I don’t read any newspapers. So I wouldn’t know.
They are simply media businesses that sell over-exaggerated hype in order to stay in business.
Neither am I interested in humiliating the EU when they seem to be managing to inflict that upon themselves so well.

I no longer live in a Country that is within the EU. You do and naturally you want to and will defend it. That is fine.
The fact that we actually left only a short time ago is the reason why there are teething problems and it will take a while yet to sort them out. Not I am sure, helped by the pandemic.

However, these constant criticisms of what we democratically decided to do here, especially by those who chose to leave this Country before that decision was made isn’t unexpected, but is getting somewhat tiresome.
With respect, you‘ve made your bed, ...................

Nonetheless, I am sure that we all wish you and the others that did so, well In the future.
That is one of the most amazing and unique things about us being farmers and in reality, in direct competition with each other. Farmers the world over may sometimes disagree with each other, but will always try to help each other.


I for one, absolutely refuse to criticise in any way any of the organisations that have stepped forward so quickly to help us get out of this pandemic and save lives.
God help those, including the media, who do so and continue to bite the hand of those that will save not only them, but others too!

 

[le bon paysan]

I don’t read any newspapers. So I wouldn’t know.
They are simply media businesses that sell over-exaggerated hype in order to stay in business.
Neither am I interested in humiliating the EU when they seem to be managing to inflict that upon themselves so well.

I no longer live in a Country that is within the EU. You do and naturally you want to and will defend it. That is fine.
The fact that we actually left only a short time ago is the reason why there are teething problems and it will take a while yet to sort them out. Not I am sure, helped by the pandemic.

However, these constant criticisms of what we democratically decided to do here, especially by those who chose to leave this Country before that decision was made isn’t unexpected, but is getting somewhat tiresome.
With respect, you‘ve made your bed, ...................

Nonetheless, I am sure that we all wish you and the others that did so, well In the future.
That is one of the most amazing and unique things about us being farmers and in reality, in direct competition with each other. Farmers the world over may sometimes disagree with each other, but will always try to help each other.


I for one, absolutely refuse to criticise in any way any of the organisations that have stepped forward so quickly to help us get out of this pandemic and save lives.
God help those, including the media, who do so and continue to bite the hand of those that will save not only them, but others too!

How do you think the EU humiliated itself?
It signed a contract with a company that broke the terms of that contract. Is that the EUs fault?
The USA stopped vaccine being exported ,yet nobody says a word!
The UK government got one thing right , many things wrong , corruption is rife and you all seem happy to ignore this as long as you can blaim anyone , preferably the EU.
The UK press are full of untruths about the EU and print little of the facts. It's a sad state of affairs watching a great country turn into a third world banana republic where the rich get richer and the devil takes the hindmost!
There's a cold wind coming for UK Ag. and it'll be interesting to watch.

 

[Cowabunga]

How do you think the EU humiliated itself?
It signed a contract with a company that broke the terms of that contract. Is that the EUs fault?

Except that it just didn’t. Not with either company. If either did there would be a legal challenge. There is none and none is likely.

Both are now up to speed or on the verge of having an expanded capacity and there is more capacity and more choice on tap every week.
It is simply impossible to magic up enough vaccine for the world’s population over a few weeks. It takes time.

 

[Two Tone]

How do you think the EU humiliated itself?
It signed a contract with a company that broke the terms of that contract. Is that the EUs fault?
The USA stopped vaccine being exported ,yet nobody says a word!
The UK government got one thing right , many things wrong , corruption is rife and you all seem happy to ignore this as long as you can blaim anyone , preferably the EU.
The UK press are full of untruths about the EU and print little of the facts. It's a sad state of affairs watching a great country turn into a third world banana republic where the rich get richer and the devil takes the hindmost!
There's a cold wind coming for UK Ag. and it'll be interesting to watch.

When you see the BBC’s Europe Editor Katya Adler, who is so obviously a very pro-EU, rather than an unbiased reporter, literally squirm with embarrassment live on the 10 o’clock News on the evening when Bruxelles considered the disruption of AZ’s vaccine to the UK, you know pretty well that the EU has seriously humiliated itself!

I think the Irish Taoiseach Micheal Martin, not to mention several other EU heads of state would strongly agree there too! Taoiseach Martin himself, actually let the fact be known that the EU was seriously mistaken on this subject, while that BBC News program was being broadcast.

Of course, it may have been reported slightly differently in France that evening. But Taoiseach Martin‘s response makes it all seem all the more credible to me.

I’m going to leave it there because neither I nor you have any way of proving so or otherwise any of your other claims.
So there is little point in continuing this conversation.

 

[stewart]

That's the income level to live there . plus a medical insurance

It is cheaper to live there than here then.

 

[Raider112]

There was a story in the Express saying that the EU have accepted that they were in the wrong but I suppose it means nothing as it was the Express. A bit like the story that the EU signed up a day before the UK, you have to take it with a pinch of salt as if it were true the EU would be going crazy about it and it would be reported everywhere

 

[matthewizod]

Not felt it too much here but I have just signed my dad up to TFF and couldn't find a UK region

 

[le bon paysan]

Except that it just didn’t. Not with either company. If either did there would be a legal challenge. There is none and none is likely.

Both are now up to speed or on the verge of having an expanded capacity and there is more capacity and more choice on tap every week.
It is simply impossible to magic up enough vaccine for the world’s population over a few weeks. It takes time.

Not only is there a contract signed with the EU first

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https://www.ft.com/content/5a8a87b4-0ea8-4db3-acc4-8a72d3b8b64c
Brussels has published its coronavirus vaccine contract with AstraZeneca in the latest gambit in the escalating row between the two over a delivery shortfall. The company agreed to disclose a redacted version of the August 2020 contract, while contesting the European Commission’s claim that supply commitments within the deal are binding

And with the UK the day after

AstraZeneca's vaccine contract with the UK is based on 'best efforts,' just like its deal with a frustrated EU

AstraZeneca's contract to supply the UK with Covid-19 vaccines commits it to making "best reasonable efforts," the same language used in its deal with the European Union, which critics blamed for the bloc's faltering inoculation program.

edition.cnn.com

But court action is being considered according to Reuters

EU countries could band to sue AstraZeneca for breach of contract: Latvia

European Union member states could take AstraZeneca to court for a breach of supply contracts if the company does not honour the COVID-19 vaccine delivery schedule, Latvian foreign affairs minister Edgars Rinkevics said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[le bon paysan]

There was a story in the Express saying that the EU have accepted that they were in the wrong but I suppose it means nothing as it was the Express. A bit like the story that the EU signed up a day before the UK, you have to take it with a pinch of salt as if it were true the EU would be going crazy about it and it would be reported everywhere

It is reported everywhere , over here and the link to the contracts are above

 

[le bon paysan]

When you see the BBC’s Europe Editor Katya Adler, who is so obviously a very pro-EU, rather than an unbiased reporter, literally squirm with embarrassment live on the 10 o’clock News on the evening when Bruxelles considered the disruption of AZ’s vaccine to the UK, you know pretty well that the EU has seriously humiliated itself!

I think the Irish Taoiseach Micheal Martin, not to mention several other EU heads of state would strongly agree there too! Taoiseach Martin himself, actually let the fact be known that the EU was seriously mistaken on this subject, while that BBC News program was being broadcast.

Of course, it may have been reported slightly differently in France that evening. But Taoiseach Martin‘s response makes it all seem all the more credible to me.

I’m going to leave it there because neither I nor you have any way of proving so or otherwise any of your other claims.
So there is little point in continuing this conversation.

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"In my understanding, the Commission has not yet got transparency in terms of how the company is going to make up the deficit in quarter one supplies to the European Union member states," Martin told FRANCE 24

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