How is Brexit for you?

[Raider112]

It is reported everywhere , over here and the link to the contracts are above

Not sure why they are bothered, it's no use and the French won't use it apparently.

 

[le bon paysan]

This is really interesting and gives a good overview of the vaccine debate

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-choice-pfizer-astrazeneca/2021/02/20/0beaceb0-5f2f-11eb-a177-7765f29a9524_story.html

 

[le bon paysan]

Not sure why they are bothered, it's no use and the French won't use it apparently.

Why do you keep repeating what isn't true?
The 15 countries in the EU and North America have asked for more data!
Astra Zeneca have refused to supply it!
Until more data is forth coming, those countries are restricting it to under 65s!
USA, Canada and Switzerland have not licenced it and South Africa have donated their doses as it's not effective against the SA variant.

 

[Raider112]

Why do you keep repeating what isn't true?
The 15 countries in the EU and North America have asked for more data!
Astra Zeneca have refused to supply it!
Until more data is forth coming, those countries are restricting it to under 65s!
USA, Canada and Switzerland have not licenced it and South Africa have donated their doses as it's not effective against the SA variant.

I'm just repeating what was said on here earlier, I might have the numbers wrong but it was something like only 300 used out of 4,500? they prefer to wait for something better.

 

[le bon paysan]

I'm just repeating what was said on here earlier, I might have the numbers wrong but it was something like only 300 used out of 4,500? they prefer to wait for something better.

Edit, you said " France don't want it" this is not true!

Covid: France restricts AstraZeneca vaccine to under-65s

It is the latest EU country to limit use of the jab citing lack of efficacy data for elderly people.

www.bbc.com

So no link and just someone said? You don't like what I say but at least I try and give you a link giving supporting facts.

AstraZeneca may have to renegotiate vaccine contracts, say experts

Company may be in danger of breaching contracts to supply EU and UK due to production problem

www.theguardian.com

@Cowabunga see above article
Part transcript
Greene said the timing of the separate agreements AstraZeneca made with the UK and EU was irrelevant.
He said: “Unless there is a term in the agreements that AstraZeneca must supply the UK first, any separate arrangement they have with the UK is probably irrelevant to the arrangement with the commission. It is not first come, first served

 

[Raider112]

Edit, you said " France don't want it" this is not true!

Covid: France restricts AstraZeneca vaccine to under-65s

It is the latest EU country to limit use of the jab citing lack of efficacy data for elderly people.

www.bbc.com

So no link and just someone said? You don't like what I say but at least I try and give you a link giving supporting facts.

AstraZeneca may have to renegotiate vaccine contracts, say experts

Company may be in danger of breaching contracts to supply EU and UK due to production problem

www.theguardian.com

@Cowabunga

I said the French won't use it apparently, don't make things up.

 

[le bon paysan]

I said the French won't use it apparently, don't make things up.

Well clearly the French are using it in under 65s!
It's you making things up.

 

[Raider112]

Well clearly the French are using it in under 65s!
It's you making things up.

For God's sake it was just a flippant remark that it's no use and the French won't use it apparently. I said it as someone posted earlier about very few vaccines being used from a batch of 4,500 IIRC.
How your wife thinks you are laid back beats me, she obviously doesn't know you like we do!
And that was another flippant remark before you try to prove it wrong!!!

 

[le bon paysan]

While your busy slagging the French off for not jabbing people with vaccine they haven't got, remember this, our hospitals have kept treating other illnesses and injury's as near normal, referrals , cancer , dialysis etc. And our kids are in school.
A quarter of the population has gotten at least one vaccine dose, and coronavirus cases have been declining dramatically. Yet Britain remains in its third national lockdown. The country has the highest per capita death toll in Europe over the course of the pandemic, and on many days is the worst in the world. Its health system is battered and has been overwhelmed. Patients needing routine surgeries have been put on year-long waiting lists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-choice-pfizer-astrazeneca/2021/02/20/0beaceb0-5f2f-11eb-a177-7765f29a9524_story.html

 

[Cowabunga]

Not only is there a contract signed with the EU first

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication

www.ft.com

.

https://www.ft.com/content/5a8a87b4-0ea8-4db3-acc4-8a72d3b8b64c
Brussels has published its coronavirus vaccine contract with AstraZeneca in the latest gambit in the escalating row between the two over a delivery shortfall. The company agreed to disclose a redacted version of the August 2020 contract, while contesting the European Commission’s claim that supply commitments within the deal are binding

And with the UK the day after

AstraZeneca's vaccine contract with the UK is based on 'best efforts,' just like its deal with a frustrated EU

AstraZeneca's contract to supply the UK with Covid-19 vaccines commits it to making "best reasonable efforts," the same language used in its deal with the European Union, which critics blamed for the bloc's faltering inoculation program.

edition.cnn.com

But court action is being considered according to Reuters

EU countries could band to sue AstraZeneca for breach of contract: Latvia

European Union member states could take AstraZeneca to court for a breach of supply contracts if the company does not honour the COVID-19 vaccine delivery schedule, Latvian foreign affairs minister Edgars Rinkevics said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

There is absolutely no doubt about there being a contract. That is not the point. My view is that there will be no legal action because the EU have no prospect of success.
The point is that the UK was starting to vaccinate weeks before the EU got around it and even when they did approve the vaccines, they were not prepared to actually administer at a fast rate. This was not a result of a vaccine shortage.

 

[le bon paysan]

For God's sake it was just a flippant remark that it's no use and the French won't use it apparently. I said it as someone posted earlier about very few vaccines being used from a batch of 4,500 IIRC.
How your wife thinks you are laid back beats me, she obviously doesn't know you like we do!
And that was another flippant remark before you try to prove it wrong!!!

You need to work on your flippancy!
That's a flippant remark

 

[Cowabunga]

Why do you keep repeating what isn't true?
The 15 countries in the EU and North America have asked for more data!
Astra Zeneca have refused to supply it!
Until more data is forth coming, those countries are restricting it to under 65s!
USA, Canada and Switzerland have not licenced it and South Africa have donated their doses as it's not effective against the SA variant.

Over 1.2 million Scottish people over the age of 70 have had the vaccine already, a good half of them having the AZ vaccine, and probably several times that in the rest of the UK. That in itself is a 'trial' and the results are overwhelmingly successful. No sign of any adverse effect and a whole lot of evidence that it is about 90% effective after three weeks of giving the first dose. I'm sure you can verify this without me finding yet another reference for you.

 

[bobk]

Over 1.2 million Scottish people over the age of 70 have had the vaccine already, a good half of them having the AZ vaccine, and probably several times that in the rest of the UK. That in itself is a 'trial' and the results are overwhelmingly successful. No sign of any adverse effect and a whole lot of evidence that it is about 90% effective after three weeks of giving the first dose. I'm sure you can verify this without me finding yet another reference for you.

Think you're almost converted on brexit Duck ?

 

[le bon paysan]

There is absolutely no doubt about there being a contract. That is not the point. My view is that there will be no legal action because the EU have no prospect of success.
The point is that the UK was starting to vaccinate weeks before the EU got around it and even when they did approve the vaccines, they were not prepared to actually administer at a fast rate. This was not a result of a vaccine shortage.

France are vaccinating fast ( not as fast as the UK ) but are running out of vaccine . You can't inject what you haven't got. Only 14000 doses received in Brittany last week!

French hospitals slow down staff vaccinations due to AstraZeneca side effects

A few days after the first injections of the British AstraZeneca vaccine in France on 6 February, many health workers reported strong side effects such as flu-like symptoms. Several hospitals in western…

www.rfi.fr

 

[le bon paysan]

Over 1.2 million Scottish people over the age of 70 have had the vaccine already, a good half of them having the AZ vaccine, and probably several times that in the rest of the UK. That in itself is a 'trial' and the results are overwhelmingly successful. No sign of any adverse effect and a whole lot of evidence that it is about 90% effective after three weeks of giving the first dose. I'm sure you can verify this without me finding yet another reference for you.

It's no good you telling me or anyone else on a forum!
Astra Zeneca need to formally provide the data to the relevant agencies.

 

[Raider112]

While your busy slagging the French off for not jabbing people with vaccine they haven't got, remember this, our hospitals have kept treating other illnesses and injury's as near normal, referrals , cancer , dialysis etc. And our kids are in school.
A quarter of the population has gotten at least one vaccine dose, and coronavirus cases have been declining dramatically. Yet Britain remains in its third national lockdown. The country has the highest per capita death toll in Europe over the course of the pandemic, and on many days is the worst in the world. Its health system is battered and has been overwhelmed. Patients needing routine surgeries have been put on year-long waiting lists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-vaccines-choice-pfizer-astrazeneca/2021/02/20/0beaceb0-5f2f-11eb-a177-7765f29a9524_story.html

I've explained my first post 3 times and you're still misquoting me, you're determined to ignore what I said and reply with irrelevant ramblings so I'm out.
That seems to be your style of 'debate' I'm afraid.

 

[le bon paysan]

There is absolutely no doubt about there being a contract. That is not the point. My view is that there will be no legal action because the EU have no prospect of success.
The point is that the UK was starting to vaccinate weeks before the EU got around it and even when they did approve the vaccines, they were not prepared to actually administer at a fast rate. This was not a result of a vaccine shortage.

So what was this then?

le bon paysan said:
How do you think the EU humiliated itself?
It signed a contract with a company that broke the terms of that contract. Is that the EUs fault?

You wrote,
Except that it just didn’t. Not with either company. If either did there would be a legal challenge. There is none and none is likely.

 

[Cowabunga]

Think you're almost converted on brexit Duck ?

This has nothing to do with Brexit and was open to all EU countries. Indeed Germany I believe were so frustrated with the centralised process and lack of urgency that they have made their own arrangements as have several Eastern European nations.
They made a hash of it early on but now that vaccine production is ramping up very quickly indeed they will soon catch up. Or at least they have the opportunity to catch up.

 

[Cowabunga]

It's no good you telling me or anyone else on a forum!
Astra Zeneca need to formally provide the data to the relevant agencies.

Actually they don't have to. It is no great shakes to them if the EU want fewer doses. That will mean more doses for other countries.

 

[le bon paysan]

I've explained my first post 3 times and you're still misquoting me, you're determined to ignore what I said and reply with irrelevant ramblings so I'm out.
That seems to be your style of 'debate' I'm afraid.

While you just repeat lies with no links