How low would sfp have to go till you tell them to keep it and farm as you want

4course

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Location
north yorks
No sensible business man is going to turn down amounts like 10k for the sake of half an afternoon filling in a form or chucking an agent a few hunderd to claim it for them weather they need the money or not ! if i had 20 million in my back pocket id claim in the low hundreds, look after the pennys the pounds look after themselves.
ah and therein comes the proof about those north of the border 20miillion and still wants£999 even if it costs him to get it ho ho
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
True but if you don't claim you are under the radar and won't get an inspection.

I doubt they could inspect anyway. If you are not in receipt of SFP/BPS, the RPA would have no authorisation to inspect your compliance with the law. Compliance with the law would be covered by the relevant statutory authority, most likely the Environment Agency or the Local Authority, depending on the rule in question. The only power over you the RPA has is that you signed a legal document to comply with rules A,B and C in order to get £X. Don't sign that document, the RPA have no hold over you.

The whole system is predicated on the concept that because farmers take the subsidy money, they can be controlled by threatening to remove or fine them that money, with no real right of a fair trial or recourse to the rule of law. Remove that threat of withholding money, and its a whole new ball game. Suddenly the authorities would have to get warrants to enter premises, collect and preserve evidence to legal standards, make the case stand up in court. A bit harder than sending some bod round with a clipboard and then declaring they are unilaterally fining you 5% of your SFP.
 

Extreme Optimist

Member
Livestock Farmer
well play by the rules then and dont get a deduction, a 15% deduction of 10k is still better than not claiming !
True, but there are costs to being in too. Time filling forms in, often wasted as in the aborted online attempts last year, stress about whether it will/won't come in, difficulty budgeting, hedges can be cut, muck can be spread and you won't feel you are being manipulated.
 

sleepy

Member
Location
Devon, UK
True, but there are costs to being in too. Time filling forms in, often wasted as in the aborted online attempts last year, stress about whether it will/won't come in, difficulty budgeting, hedges can be cut, muck can be spread and you won't feel you are being manipulated.

You will have much more difficulty budgeting if the money is 100% guaranteed not to arrive!
 

Hilly

Member
True, but there are costs to being in too. Time filling forms in, often wasted as in the aborted online attempts last year, stress about whether it will/won't come in, difficulty budgeting, hedges can be cut, muck can be spread and you won't feel you are being manipulated.
A very small price even for a couple of k never mind some claiming 100+
 

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