How many farmers have had a formal university education?

[Ashtree]

On a past thread, Walter (mitty?) claimed that a barrister was an officer of the court. They are not. When @Danllan proved this from the Bars own paperwork, Walter could not accept it and hit back by alleging that Danllan was not even a barrister.

Danllan supplied me with evidence that he qualified as a barrister and was called to the bar. Walter refuses to accept that a barrister is not an officer of the court and refuses to accept that Danllan is a barrister. No rocket science there and no binge watching Poirot needed.

On a separate thread, Walter stated he could not possibly be a member of this Forum after one of his posts was deleted following several complaints about it. However, he is back again! Following his statement that he could not be a member of this Forum, a moderator made it clear that Walter is not Walter's name.

Again no rocket science or Poirot like work needed to determine who the imposter is and who is claiming to be things they are not!

I’ll have you know that I have also been called to the bar. I’ll be there in about an hour, and six or seven pints of Guinness will suffer a quick death.

 

[caveman]

I’ll have you know that I have also been called to the bar. I’ll be there in about an hour, and six or seven pints of Guinness will suffer a quick death.

And chasers?

 

[Foregoneconclusion]

Yes. I did.
My Father did also. (he was a better farmer that i am !) (classical scholar)
My Grandfather did not (army), nor did his uncle.. (but i don't think he'd qualify as a farmer)

I think it would be reasonable to argue that going to university does not make you a better farmer. Or a worse one .. Most of the stuff that filled my head at university (well ag college seale-hayne was nearly a uni) was largely impractical , irrelevant (300 hours of pigs) or very specific. (bloody cauliflowers)..

I think had i not gone to ag uni i would have been an army ssc fella then who knows what sort of a mess the farm would be in now! I could have just jumped straight back into the farm- or worked away with family in Australia but i found my wife at uni (she found me would be more accurate) and some solid friends- one who is an agronomist, one a pig farmer and one who is a beef n arable man.

The op was asking if any of us had been to uni . Nothing sinister about that.

While i'm here and risking a broadside what is it with you 2 especially Walterp , Danllan.. would you be able to settle your score somewhere else perchance? Your dispute has been going on for ages and has turned up on loads of threads over the years. It is compelling stuff, but being solicitors/ barristers legal minded fellows you must agree the spectacle is rather beneath men of your standing...

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Left School at 15 by 18 I was a share holder in a 200 cow dairy herd , I hated School which had it's own farm . If I could get away with it I was on that farm more than I was in class . Stupid I know but there you go .
Working hard when your young gives you the opportunity to play hard when your older

 

[JP1]

I ask because yesterday I was on the way to Cheltenham and I drove past what looked like a farming university, so I was wondering if anyone on this forum has ever had any kind of university education doesn't have to be specific to farming

I'm going to take a punt and suggest around 35% but I'm not a farmer so that's a very speculative guess

#justasking

Everything is a University these days. Old "National" Ag Colleges have all become Unis or been incorporated as campusses for other Universities.

Blair was absolutely wrong to open the flood gates and have some sort of notional target for 50% of school leavers going to Uni.

I have an HND in Ag

I wouldn't say you even need to be formally qualified in ag to be a good farmer, you don't need a degree at all but graduates should have an open and enquiring mind which stands them in good stead when going in to farming whatever the subject.

Aptitude + application + experience = potentially a good farmer

 

[Ashtree]

I still see old boys around ring at the cattle marts. Both dealers and farmers. Most would have left school by 14 or 15.
A lot of these boy with a weeks orientation on the floor of the NY Stock Exchange, would make top traders ..... a lot better than half the highly educated chancers already there.

 

[Stevethemeat]

Hnd in dairy herd management and currently farming pigs beef sheep and cereals the only time it gets chance to come out is when I do some relief milking
Honestly it’s enough of a qualification to stop sales reps filling you full of this and that and allowing you the confidence to do your own research

 

[bankrupt]

( seale-hayne was nearly a uni)

Quite so, Foregoneconclusion.

And it nearly awarded me a degree but, sadly, it went out of business three months too soon.

 

[bankrupt]

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Aptitude + application + experience = potentially a good farmer

+ a farm on which to practice
+ a farm on which to practise

 

[JP1]

+ a farm on which to practice
+ a farm on which to practise

I am 56 and I still don't have one

I just make of what I can (it involves a lot of travelling and moving stuff about)

 

[bankrupt]

still don't have one

What's needed to set things right now, JP1, is another good financial shake-out, similar to those of the 1930s and 70s.

The 30s was when the likes of the Hosiers and the Cherringtons got their big chance, and the dire early 70s certainly helped me.

This is why I willingly voted for Brexit, in spite of it being sure to cost me income, and capital.

 

[Bomber_Harris]

What's needed to set things right now, JP1, is another good financial shake-out, similar to those of the 1930s and 70s.

The 30s was when the likes of the Hosiers and the Cherringtons got their big chance, and the dire early 70s certainly helped me.

This is why I willingly voted for Brexit, in spite of it being sure to cost me income, and capital.

wasn't there a similar financial shake-out in New Zealand back in the 80s when the NZ govt did away with all subsides and farmers had to stand on their own? I understand that suicide rates (which I understand are not great amongst farmers at the best of times) absolutely sky-rocketed as land values crashed and many farmers went bust and were forced to sell their holdings to vultures like myself?

 

[bankrupt]

wasn't there a similar financial shake-out in New Zealand back in the 80s

And this was celebrated by senior economists almost everywhere, importantly including, as I recall, Sean Rickard of the NFU.

Fortunately, New Zealand's since been rescued by demand from China and the ZIRP from the Fed.

 

[Old McDonald]

Bomber_Harris said: ↑
strangely enough I wasn't considering Brexit when I asked the question.

I ask again

So why post it in the Brexit thread?

Also why do you not answer this question

So what have you got exactly?

I hope you can at least come up with two masters and a PhD.

It is all very well asking us to answer your question, which many have done in good faith; but you must reciprocate if you want any respect from the members of TFF.

 

[The Agrarian]

He's just another puff of hot air I'm afraid. All talk.

 

[Bomber_Harris]

Bomber_Harris said: ↑

It is all very well asking us to answer your question, which many have done in good faith; but you must reciprocate if you want any respect from the members of TFF.

I'm quite certain that I don't want *checks quote* any respect from the members of TFF

I've already said on two occasions that I'm a vulture waiting for the car crash to happen

Nothing I say or post will change the likelihood of that car crash happening or its fallout

I have no shame, I have no pity, I'm also impervious to the most foulest and personal insults that you or anyone else could have the imagination to think of

just so you know

 

[Ball acre]

I'm quite certain that I don't want *checks quote* any respect from the members of TFF

I've already said on two occasions that I'm a vulture waiting for the car crash to happen

Nothing I say or post will change the likelihood of that car crash happening or its fallout

I have no shame, I have no pity, I'm also impervious to the most foulest and personal insults that you or anyone else could have the imagination to think of

just so you know

I thought you were a cock but now learn you are a spork!

 

[willy]

I'm quite certain that I don't want *checks quote* any respect from the members of TFF

I've already said on two occasions that I'm a vulture waiting for the car crash to happen

Nothing I say or post will change the likelihood of that car crash happening or its fallout

I have no shame, I have no pity, I'm also impervious to the most foulest and personal insults that you or anyone else could have the imagination to think of

just so you know

You sound like THE TERMINATOR........

 

[arcobob]

Bomber_Harris said: ↑
strangely enough I wasn't considering Brexit when I asked the question.

I ask again



Also why do you not answer this question



I hope you can at least come up with two masters and a PhD.

It is all very well asking us to answer your question, which many have done in good faith; but you must reciprocate if you want any respect from the members of TFF.

I think that if you return to the beginning the question referred to farmers. Bomber claims he is not a farmer and, if true, is not allowed or certainly not obliged to participate. Neither am I.

 

[Old McDonald]

I have no shame, I have no pity, I'm also impervious to the most foulest and personal insults that you or anyone else could have the imagination to think of

just so you know

I did not insult you, and have no intentions of doing so. Why did you imply that I would?

It is an extremely strange attitude to take when all I asked was that you reply to questions too. Many of us were good enough to respond to yours.