How much HP to run ..

[Bald Rick]

Only a simple dairy farmer but can anyone tell me how much HP I need to run front mounted 5 leg subsoiler working just below plough depth with 4m power Harrow behind?
Land is light Loams through to virtually pure sand and travelling on top of ploughed furrows

I thank you

 

[Lincs Lass]

Wont working at that depth put alot of stress on the front links .

 

[Bob lincs]

I think you would really struggle to push 5 legs on the front , actually I don’t think it would work at all with any legs . Steering would be impossible unless there was some sort of bridge over the legs and they were pulled .

 

[Will 1594]

You want something like this , ,bramley do one also ,
Take it your wanting to work down maize land after ploughing

 

[Bald Rick]

Son seems to think it’s relatively common on the continent but I must admit I can’t see it working either. Took a chuff of power to drag a shakaerator from behind

 

[Bald Rick]

You want something like this , ,bramley do one also ,
Take it your wanting to work down maize land after ploughing

Yes ... looking to cut out a pass working down maize land. Have 350ac to drill this season so any possible savings well worthwhile

 

[Flat 10]

You want something like this , ,bramley do one also ,
Take it your wanting to work down maize land after ploughing

Bramley's one is quite neat. I think boccassion have a 4m kuhn one in stock.

 

[Sharpy]

Plus how are you going to get enough traction on ploughing without compacting the wheel tracks to an incredible amount due to ballast and draft forces, creating ruts which the power harrow will then fill in after being set deeper to overcome leading to a rough field needing ploughed again to rectify?

 

[Will 1594]

Plus how are you going to get enough traction on ploughing without compacting the wheel tracks to an incredible amount due to ballast and draft forces, creating ruts which the power harrow will then fill in after being set deeper to overcome leading to a rough field needing ploughed again to rectify?

Sharpy you run duals or big tyres and do the job right . Subsoiler on ploughing is good as you already loosened top 6/12 inch , that’s if it needs doing of course . This works well on ploughing

 

[Will 1594]

Bramley's one is quite neat. I think boccassion have a 4m kuhn one in stock.

Bw Mach has one slso

 

[milkloss]

Son seems to think it’s relatively common on the continent but I must admit I can’t see it working either. Took a chuff of power to drag a shakaerator from behind

Then the answer to your question will be more horses than you've got in the shed currently

 

[Bald Rick]

So you boys in the know ... will our Fastrac 4220 on big tyres be man enough to run some sort of tillage train?

 

[Western promise]

It would be better to run the subsoiler over the ploughing after as long as you had a packer to do some work. Or why not put your maize drill on the back of a power Harrow , this is very common in Germany.

 

[yorkie]

You don’t need as much power to push as pull , 114 and then 125 hp used to be enough to push a 3 leg one and pull a set of discs straight into rape stubles 30 years ago you can stear it the same as you can a front plough , just a case of getting front implements set right

 

[Sharpy]

Sharpy you run duals or big tyres and do the job right . Subsoiler on ploughing is good as you already loosened top 6/12 inch , that’s if it needs doing of course . This works well on ploughing

Aye, fair enough, but my experience of subsoiling with a 5 leg was a tw25 with duals on the back and was pulling very very hard, struggling for traction on oilseed rape ground. It would not have managed on ploughing.
The implement on the front of your picture doesn't look like a subsoiler to me either, but you obviously have experience of what baldrick is looking for. Thank you.

 

[Tim Howard]

Subsoiling on the plough works well but 5 legs over 4mts is only going to lift out slots even with wide feet. You will need to be at lest 4" deeper than your ploughing to do any good, 7 legs minimum.
Edit or are you trying to run the tines at drill centres.

 

[glasshouse]

Only a simple dairy farmer but can anyone tell me how much HP I need to run front mounted 5 leg subsoiler working just below plough depth with 4m power Harrow behind?
Land is light Loams through to virtually pure sand and travelling on top of ploughed furrows

I thank you

That wont work
Subsoiler needs to lift out tractor tracks as a minimum
Pushing it wont work anyway

 

[robot Jerseys]

This is ours 6 legs on a 4m. I do think its best to sub soil on last pass as you not compacting it again with drill tractor etc tractor is 200 did turnips straight in to stubble with it.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Yes ... looking to cut out a pass working down maize land. Have 350ac to drill this season so any possible savings well worthwhile

Do you intend to put slurry on this land?

If so, get someone with a tanker/injector setup to do the job. Apply your slurry and do at least one part of the cultivations first. Assuming it isn't heavily rutted or something mind.

On that acreage I would be seriously tempted to get a quadtrac or something in with a big cultivator and avoid the ploughing part.

 

[deleted user 837354]

So you boys in the know ... will our Fastrac 4220 on big tyres be man enough to run some sort of tillage train?

You will be on the limits with it I would have said.