How much nitrogen?

[Sandpit Farm]

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[Great In Grass]

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Nutrient Management Guide (RB209) | AHDB

The AHDB Nutrient Management Guide (RB209) offers best practice guidance on the application of mineral fertilisers, manures and slurries to crops and grassland.

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[Sandpit Farm]

Nutrient Management Guide (RB209) | AHDB

The AHDB Nutrient Management Guide (RB209) offers best practice guidance on the application of mineral fertilisers, manures and slurries to crops and grassland.

ahdb.org.uk

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[JSmith]

Had some samples back today on newly acquired rented land, only had sheep last 25 years, nothing applied either in a bag or out the cow shed, reckon it was limed quite a few years ago! It’s full of moss on mostly very shallow light land, ph is 6 or above on all fields bar one which is 5.8, results say potassium very high, phosphorous very high, an magnesium very high!! What do the learned think to apply to address this??

 

[ollie989898]

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As above- without knowing the sort of land, how fertile it is and growing conditions any amount is a guess.

 

[Al R]

Had some samples back today on newly acquired rented land, only had sheep last 25 years, nothing applied either in a bag or out the cow shed, reckon it was limed quite a few years ago! It’s full of moss on mostly very shallow light land, ph is 6 or above on all fields bar one which is 5.8, results say potassium very high, phosphorous very high, an magnesium very high!! What do the learned think to apply to address this??

On a organic sheep farm here with a bit of arable on some fields but in similar situation, nothing artificial for 20 years, index’s are all rising to 4’s and pH is rising close to 7 but i still see plenty of moss around?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I've seen a lot of moss this year , results of all that wet weather we've had must be

 

[Yale]

On a organic sheep farm here with a bit of arable on some fields but in similar situation, nothing artificial for 20 years, index’s are all rising to 4’s and pH is rising close to 7 but i still see plenty of moss around?

I suppose the thing which may sort the moss out would be rotational grazing as it would leave longer covers and out compete the moss?

 

[Al R]

I suppose the thing which may sort the moss out would be rotational grazing as it would leave longer covers and out compete the moss?

For lambing their set stocked but in a few weeks they do get rotationally grazed as average field size is sub 5 acre

 

[N.Yorks.]

Had some samples back today on newly acquired rented land, only had sheep last 25 years, nothing applied either in a bag or out the cow shed, reckon it was limed quite a few years ago! It’s full of moss on mostly very shallow light land, ph is 6 or above on all fields bar one which is 5.8, results say potassium very high, phosphorous very high, an magnesium very high!! What do the learned think to apply to address this??

First: was it sampled well? At least 25 cores (taken randomly and then mixed up) per 4ha (10 ac) and sampled to a 7.5cm depth if grass.

Second: if answer to above is yes then you've got a reasonable level of confidence in the analysis, so it's good news, just a bit of lime in the pH 5.8 field (assuming you're wanting grass, otherwise if it's going arable then you'll need more lime to nudge it higher.)

The next big question is what do you want to do with it? Altitude, location, soil type, subsoil type, how high rent is and how long you have it for are all other questions?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Your potash needs lifting , but steady if your grazing , , murate of potash is best option if you have no cow slurry

 

[JSmith]

Your potash needs lifting , but steady if your grazing , , murate of potash is best option if you have no cow slurry

I’ve got access to Digestate hopefully if I can get them on there, an I was gonna thrash the day lights out of the moss with the harrows! Hopefully gonna put stubble turnips an rape maybe on different fields for autumn winter grazing an then rested in spring, rest of the ground gonna direct drill into what’s there for now with chicory an clover to create a bit of bite for sheep! The moss that’s bad on one particular field is like a blanket an was thinking it would suppress the grass seedlings??

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Thick moss is a nightmare for direct drilling, im undecided about harrows myself , I harrowed some before drilling and just left clumps of stuff about . , the main thing is you have a clean drill slot and roll it after,

 

[JSmith]

First: was it sampled well? At least 25 cores (taken randomly and then mixed up) per 4ha (10 ac) and sampled to a 7.5cm depth if grass.

Second: if answer to above is yes then you've got a reasonable level of confidence in the analysis, so it's good news, just a bit of lime in the pH 5.8 field (assuming you're wanting grass, otherwise if it's going arable then you'll need more lime to nudge it higher.)

The next big question is what do you want to do with it? Altitude, location, soil type, subsoil type, how high rent is and how long you have it for are all other questions?

It’s all permanent grass that has been run as a ranch type job, all fences are down, it’s had nothing for donkeys years! One block is 90 acres run as one, flat level for 70 of that, it’s light ground, if you put the core in five times you hit a stone four times!! I’ve got it for six years an was hoping to farm it back in to good heart, better if I had it for ten really but maybe will roll over. The cores were taken at the right depth and well across the whole, it’s in the midlands

 

[N.Yorks.]

Your potash needs lifting , but steady if your grazing , , murate of potash is best option if you have no cow slurry

You may have missed his description where he says the potassium is very high........

 

[N.Yorks.]

It’s all permanent grass that has been run as a ranch type job, all fences are down, it’s had nothing for donkeys years! One block is 90 acres run as one, flat level for 70 of that, it’s light ground, if you put the core in five times you hit a stone four times!! I’ve got it for six years an was hoping to farm it back in to good heart, better if I had it for ten really but maybe will roll over. The cores were taken at the right depth and well across the whole, it’s in the midlands

What do you want out of it? Every blade of grass you can get or something less intense?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You may have missed his description where he says the potassium is very high........

Must be blind but yes sorry

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Sounds like you need to take a cut of silage or hay off it to open the sward out, mow it to the deck , for Rape Burn it before you mow

 

[JSmith]

What do you want out of it? Every blade of grass you can get or something less intense?

Every blade of grass I can get!! Wouldn’t be stocked heavy this year until the autumn while I try an put some fencing back and plant turnips an such like. If I can get fences up I can shut bits up an rotate stock round next spring, as it is nothing has been able to have a rest or shut the gate an reseed! Grounds been wasted in my opinion an farmed lazy

 

[JSmith]

Sounds like you need to take a cut of silage or hay off it to open the sward out, mow it to the deck , for Rape Burn it before you mow

If you didn’t go on there all year I seriously doubt it would grow enough volume to bother about! Some one else would probably burn it all off an start again but I can’t do that in one go!