How often do new employees not turn up.

[Serup]

What's the norm,monthly wages or weekly?

In DK i would guess 80-90% are on monthly. A few professions are paid one month in advance. My wife work at a bank, and thats the norm in banks here.
a few professions are on “every second week” but i have never heard of anyone in a steady job that was paid every week.

 

[Blue.]

we usually go for self employed, as no accommodation, happy to pay £12.50 an hour, would probably go a bit more for a 'good' chap.

Monthly?
I've various milkers/helpers that are self employed only 1 is on monthly.

 

[Serup]

we usually go for self employed, as no accommodation, happy to pay £12.50 an hour, would probably go a bit more for a 'good' chap.

I should move. When i have self emplyed here, minimum is about £23-24/hour. Employees are usually from £16,5/hour and up, plus holiday pay and all other expenses, including sickdays, insurance and what not. Many want pension on top of that now also, so add another 12%.

If i pay less than 16,5 and pension and the employee complain to a union, they can block Arla from entering my farm untill i comply.

 

[Ducati899]

My wife and I have a joint personal account, she can use contactless continually, whereas I have to input my PIN every so often , usually at the most awkward moment!

Me and my GF have exactly the same happen,I put it down to the fact she’s always using the fecking thing and I hardly use mine

 

[som farmer]

I should move. When i have self emplyed here, minimum is about £23-24/hour. Employees are usually from £16,5/hour and up, plus holiday pay and all other expenses, including sickdays, insurance and what not. Many want pension on top of that now also, so add another 12%.

If i pay less than 16,5 and pension and the employee complain to a union, they can block Arla from entering my farm untill i comply.

that sounds like another reason to leave the EU ! We simply couldn't afford to go to those rates.

 

[Courier]

that sounds like another reason to leave the EU ! We simply couldn't afford to go to those rates.

We have been in the EU for 40 years and we do not have "those Rates" - They are a Danish thing.....Not an EU regulation.

 

[Serup]

that sounds like another reason to leave the EU ! We simply couldn't afford to go to those rates.

Thats not to do with EU. That’s the “danish model” where some employer organisation no one is a member of and a union most don’t use, make an agreement of “fair terms” for work. This includes minimum payment.
By law, everyone is free to make whatever agreement they want if none of the parts are members in these two organisations. But if the employee organisation finde out you pay less on a continuous basis, they will react, to make sure you don’t undermine the deal they have made. That includes conflicting the farm, which will make arlas factories stop if your milk enter. So they don’t pick it up and we have no one else to sell it to, so that is a sure way to bankruptcy pretty fast.

 

[som farmer]

We have been in the EU for 40 years and we do not have "those Rates" - They are a Danish thing.....Not an EU regulation.

I thought EU was to harmonise everything, in 1 set of 'law', or, at least, that is their stated goal.

 

[Serup]

I thought EU was to harmonise everything, in 1 set of 'law', or, at least, that is their stated goal.

We don’t have a law that says anything about minimum wage. But the unions have conflict rights. And because we only have Arla that is an isolated problem to dairy. For most companies it just means they can’t hire people who are members of this particular union and not a big general problem.

 

[Courier]

I thought EU was to harmonise everything, in 1 set of 'law', or, at least, that is their stated goal.

Project Fear ------- Do your own research instead of believing everything Nigel tells you - He's as bad as Boris for telling lies so that he can increase his personal wealth at the expense of the X% who earn less than the median income.

 

[glow worm]

Do any of you actually take time to look at how you treat your employees ive never had anyone not turn up without a call day or night before if employees are trrated with respect and appreciated you will revieve it back

You are blessed then!! and long ago, before we settled with our current team, we had some employees we treated with the upmost respect ... what dairy farmer in their right mind doesn't!! .. but we still got **** on from a great height!

 

[betweenthelines]

Thats not to do with EU. That’s the “danish model” where some employer organisation no one is a member of and a union most don’t use, make an agreement of “fair terms” for work. This includes minimum payment.
By law, everyone is free to make whatever agreement they want if none of the parts are members in these two organisations. But if the employee organisation finde out you pay less on a continuous basis, they will react, to make sure you don’t undermine the deal they have made. That includes conflicting the farm, which will make arlas factories stop if your milk enter. So they don’t pick it up and we have no one else to sell it to, so that is a sure way to bankruptcy pretty fast.

Frightening! Staff & employers are "free" to negotiate wage rates, but if you don't pay "Union" rates, Arla, the supposedly farmer owed Coop will boycott you!

 

[Serup]

Frightening! Staff & employers are "free" to negotiate wage rates, but if you don't pay "Union" rates, Arla, the supposedly farmer owed Coop will boycott you!

Arla don’t want to, but the employees working there are organised in a union that go on strike if the farmer enters in a conflict with their sister organisation. So they will go home if your milk enters the factory.
There has been meetings about this and Arla say they can’t help us because or some rules they have to comply with.

 

[vantage]

What's the norm,monthly wages or weekly?

I should move. When i have self emplyed here, minimum is about £23-24/hour. Employees are usually from £16,5/hour and up, plus holiday pay and all other expenses, including sickdays, insurance and what not. Many want pension on top of that now also, so add another 12%.
I had a relief milker once who I paid after each milking when he started, then moved to weekly and eventually monthly as he saw payment wasn’t an issue.

If i pay less than 16,5 and pension and the employee complain to a union, they can block Arla from entering my farm untill i comply.

Not good, let’s hope it doesn’t apply to “One” ARLA. Maybe @farmer on a bike would care to comment?

 

[Fergieman]

Not good, let’s hope it doesn’t apply to “One” ARLA. Maybe @farmer on a bike would care to comment?

Nothing to do with One Arla or Arla its the countries employee's union.

 

[s line]

The implications for the worker of not having that money for the month end can be exponentially bad.....

I know. It made it a very tence at times. Depending how the last Friday in the month landed. Example on the 31st. Then he had bill's to pay on the 1st. But not getting paid until 3rd some time.
Another thought though, perhaps he could of budget. But money disappears!!

 

[Serup]

Not good, let’s hope it doesn’t apply to “One” ARLA. Maybe @farmer on a bike would care to comment?

It's not what Arla want but what national rules obligate them to do.

Nothing to do with One Arla or Arla its the countries employee's union.

On the other hand, the farmers from Arla who told us this on the mentioned meetings, said they though we should just pay reasonable rates to our employees and the problem would go away by itself.
So Arlas official stand on this is, that we should be able to afford to pay what we are told, or we are too bad at our work and should go out of business anyway.

 

[Blue.]

I know. It made it a very tence at times. Depending how the last Friday in the month landed. Example on the 31st. Then he had bill's to pay on the 1st. But not getting paid until 3rd some time.
Another thought though, perhaps he could of budget. But money disappears!!

I have to budget so why shouldn’t someone I’m paying not have to?

 

[betweenthelines]

It's not what Arla want but what national rules obligate them to do.



On the other hand, the farmers from Arla who told us this on the mentioned meetings, said they though we should just pay reasonable rates to our employees and the problem would go away by itself.
So Arlas official stand on this is, that we should be able to afford to pay what we are told, or we are too bad at our work and should go out of business anyway.

I thought Arla was farmer owed? Shouldn't their "official stand" to do what their owners want, not tell them what to do or how to run their business's?

 

[Serup]

I thought Arla was farmer owed? Shouldn't their "official stand" to do what their owners want, not tell them what to do or how to run their business's?

We argued about that for a few hours. Then they told us their hands are tied and that it was late so we better get going.
They don't tell us how to do, just explain why they can't pick up our milk, if we are in conflict with a union.They don't care how we handle this, but they can't and won't help us, because that will implicate all the other owners who don't have these issues.