How should agricultural research studies be chosen?

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
And maybe should be researched more then, lots of "if's and maybe's" about the whole subject, ISTM....
There was a big discussion between the EA and the water companies earlier this year about that. The EA were talking about withdrawing the existing permits to spread iirc because of the plastic contamination.

Microplastics are a very big deal. Nobody knows quite what to do about it. Ban them and you kill the clothing industry dead, not to mention the impact on the water companies....
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Now, if there was a smart eartag for sheep and outdoor cattle that had the capability of changing colour, or flashing a light to say its wearer has just begun feeling not all that well, with a different colour for what's wrong, I could be tempted to think about buying some.

In the dairy sector, not an ear tag, but a neck transponder on a collar. By listening to the cudding action (using small microphones), this is interpreted as a frequency and used as a back-map.

As part of the research, various animals cudding action were monitored (along with other parameters) like calving cows. in heat animals and those starting with Ketosis etc and different, but consistent patterns emerged.

These were used in a database to monitor all animals, and if they started following the frequencies of any of the above a SMS was sent to the owners mobile. This was long in advance of the animal showing symptoms.

On screen and online, an overlay would show how things are progressing and allow the owner to take action or not.

There is allot going on in the sensor market.

 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
In the dairy sector, not an ear tag, but a neck transponder on a collar. By listening to the cudding action (using small microphones), this is interpreted as a frequency and used as a back-map.

As part of the research, various animals cudding action were monitored (along with other parameters) like calving cows. in heat animals and those starting with Ketosis etc and different, but consistent patterns emerged.

These were used in a database to monitor all animals, and if they started following the frequencies of any of the above a SMS was sent to the owners mobile. This was long in advance of the animal showing symptoms.

On screen and online, an overlay would show how things are progressing and allow the owner to take action or not.

There is allot going on in the sensor market.


At the moment, I sort of know somebody who'd benefit from wearing a grumpymoo ™️ ©️ (pat pending) indicator receiver. There's always one who keeps missing the signals, and then complaints about the other party getting teasey... :rolleyes::sneaky: 😁
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Is there a reason why microplastics cannot be removed? Also, if sewage sludge cannot be guaranteed free of microplastics, if the process isn't already happening, why can't it be AD'd, with solids dried and incinerated in high efficiency incinerators for more power production?
Ash, if any, going into inert blocks ~ maybe for building?

Cost, COST, COST

Cheap is good for the Shareholders. I was charring with an aquaintance this week, and said incineration would be the answer to a lot of issues with sludge. My concern lies with heavy metals still...
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
There was a big discussion between the EA and the water companies earlier this year about that. The EA were talking about withdrawing the existing permits to spread iirc because of the plastic contamination.

Microplastics are a very big deal. Nobody knows quite what to do about it. Ban them and you kill the clothing industry dead, not to mention the impact on the water companies....
Well, the "new" regulations look to be taking the water companies in a new direction?
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Cost, COST, COST

Cheap is good for the Shareholders. I was charring with an aquaintance this week, and said incineration would be the answer to a lot of issues with sludge. My concern lies with heavy metals still...

The metals should be recoverable, surely?
What a huge waste if it isn't done.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Is there a reason why microplastics cannot be removed? Also, if sewage sludge cannot be guaranteed free of microplastics, if the process isn't already happening, why can't it be AD'd, with solids dried and incinerated in high efficiency incinerators for more power production?
Ash, if any, going into inert blocks ~ maybe for building?
We are talking about microscopic fibres, invisible to the human eye. They are released from plastic clothing (basically almost everything on the high street) every time it's washed and so end up in sewage works. There's no currently economic way to remove them from the sludge and water so they are getting into rivers then seas and onto land.

I've heard of studies detecting them in everything we eat now, they have become ubiquitous in our environment. They are now part of most human bodies as a result.

And yet campaigners still push to stop us using natural fibres in clothing (wool, cotton and leather) :mad:

Meanwhile good wool is being burnt or composted and good hides are being landfilled. It's criminal!

It's not "vegan leather", it's plastic........
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Most researchers I come across now are studying things which -they imply- make me and my livestock look bad/inefficient/unwanted.
And once the keen faced youth spent a few months measuring whatever it is, their professor says well done...here's your phd, this IS now the proved science.
With a bit of digging, I've noticed that the label 'peer reviewed' generally means - in this area- that one anti-farmer prof has looked at another's student's work, and said 'mmm, right on brother'.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Most researchers I come across now are studying things which -they imply- make me and my livestock look bad/inefficient/unwanted.
And once the keen faced youth spent a few months measuring whatever it is, their professor says well done...here's your phd, this IS now the proved science.
With a bit of digging, I've noticed that the label 'peer reviewed' generally means - in this area- that one anti-farmer prof has looked at another's student's work, and said 'mmm, right on brother'.
Peer reviewed has lost any useful meaning in my opinion. In many cases now it simply means that a carefully chosen selection of academics who share the views of the study team have read the report and signed it off.

The original purpose was for the reviewers to find fault in the report to strengthen the science.
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
Peer reviewed has lost any useful meaning in my opinion. In many cases now it simply means that a carefully chosen selection of academics who share the views of the study team have read the report and signed it off.

The original purpose was for the reviewers to find fault in the report to strengthen the science.
I'm pretty sure I've witnessed exactly that....which has led to the allocation and spending of millions of ££ in public funding, based on hooey

(looking at the other interests of the academics is the give away....)
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Peer reviewed has lost any useful meaning in my opinion. In many cases now it simply means that a carefully chosen selection of academics who share the views of the study team have read the report and signed it off.

The original purpose was for the reviewers to find fault in the report to strengthen the science.


You will find it very difficult to borrow money to buy into new and cutting edge technology without strong peer review, or a recognised reputable institute that has carried out the research.

The drug Industry has many ' get rich quick ' investors who have the scars to prove it. :ROFLMAO:
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Research, education, and to some extent healthcare have as become an “industry” in it’s own right and needs to keep itself fed. That’s why we see fatuous projects. It’s just grist to mill. The media is the same. You never switch on the telly and hear them say “ nothing to report today”. They have to find something. They have to feed the machine.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
The ironic thing is there is plenty of stuff that needs doing on farms that doesn’t get done and holds back efficiency. Drainage, soil structure, liming. Doesn’t seem to get done. Basic stuff. But we faff about with high tech toys.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
You will find it very difficult to borrow money to buy into new and cutting edge technology without strong peer review, or a recognised reputable institute that has carried out the research.

The drug Industry has many ' get rich quick ' investors who have the scars to prove it. :ROFLMAO:
The trouble is that the scientific ideal had been corrupted by corporate giants in search of profit.

As an example: the "diet health hypothesis" that cholesterol causes heart attacks has been disproved for several decades now yet certain research teams are still getting "peer reviewed science" which is based on it being true published in major journals. Their funding, many £M in some cases, depends on it. Those who try to point this out are subjected to intense legal, professional and ethical attack.

 

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