How stupid can Plod get?

essex man

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Location
colchester
if you have been wanting to protest something over the last six months, you would probably be a bit bemused that the police even allowed to allow a crowd to form.
Quite understandably might think ...we were told we were acting against public health etc and look at this lot!
Do I have to be a woman and shine a phone torch to be allowed?
Is covid warded off by phone torches?
 

had e nuff

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Location
Durham
Police don't enforce the law equally. Friend of mine had 4 friends around for drinks in his shed. Neighbour called police and they arrived and fined them which is fair enough.
Be interesting how many of those last night get fined.
Local forest has hundreds turning up from all over north of England to mountain bike , breaking travel rules but police do nothing.
Police like easy targets.
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
Police don't enforce the law equally. Friend of mine had 4 friends around for drinks in his shed. Neighbour called police and they arrived and fined them which is fair enough.
Be interesting how many of those last night get fined.
Local forest has hundreds turning up from all over north of England to mountain bike , breaking travel rules but police do nothing.
Police like easy targets.
There is no restriction on distance travelled to exercise that I am aware of
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Demonstrating in the normal sense is against covid rules.
The deadly virus does not know what you are demonstrating for or against.
True when there is a chance to shout f... the police everyone is outside. Maybe they should have been shouting f... covid

Actually, the government is attempting to legislate against overly loud protests.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Not really. Lockdown rules are lockdown rules. Could have waited a few weeks, and held a vigil then.

Your future Queen made a special trip from Kensington Palace with a bunch of daffs to pay her respects. With the comment she remembered walking home through London before her days as the future Queen. I saw the picture today. She could have been any of our daughters. Would you lock up and fine your future Queen?
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Actually, the government is attempting to legislate against overly loud protests.

Well spotted that man - I was going to post a link earlier and then drifted off to cook supper and do some useful things but true Priti is a true to from Hard right Tory of the old school. And her proposed legislation places more power with the minister to utilise Statutory Instrument as the source of power. UK has taken back control to give that control to Tory ministers. What a world.

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment/...k-lives-matter-priti-patels-anti-protest-law/
 

Goweresque

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Location
North Wilts
I reserve my greatest contempt for politicians attacking the police for enforcing the rules they (the politicians) voted in themselves and have supported being enforced on others (anti-lockdown protestors for example). If you live in the country where the law is selectively enforced depending on whether you are are in a 'protected' group or not, then you live in a police state.
 
Your future Queen made a special trip from Kensington Palace with a bunch of daffs to pay her respects. With the comment she remembered walking home through London before her days as the future Queen. I saw the picture today. She could have been any of our daughters. Would you lock up and fine your future Queen?


Laws apply equally to everyone.

If she broke the law then she should face the consequences. What IS difficult about any crimes committed not having the law enforced ?

You think you or your daughter is any different to anyone else ?

BLM broke the rules but were allowed to break the law .. Liberal ideology is breaking up society.

Liberals broke it .. Liberals better fix it. I'm going to stand back and watch .. I doubt the end result is going to be a more stable society given past performance.

Voting is for sorting out societies problems .. not rioting, not protesting, not destroying statues and not allowing BLM to break the law.
 

Ley253

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Location
Bath
Last night's event on Clapham Common was not a random gathering. The organisers had gone to Court seeking to overturn the rules on gatherings in these Covid times.

They lost, but still allowed the event to take place.

A woman who organised a protest in Bristol against the 1% NHS pay offer was fined £10,000. The people who organised this should be subject to the same punishment.
Fine them what you like! One, you have to get it, and two, these days even if you do, its probably paid by a crowdfunding request. These people will refuse to pay, have their day in court, probably win a vast deduction, and bring the police action back to the public eye again.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
People went to Clapham and paid their respects during the day yesterday, went home, grateful for the opportunity to do so.

As the day went on, more attended. The Police stood back, asking for people to move on after a reasonable period. Many complied. Happy balance, public pay respects.

What went wrong? People stopped complying, refused to leave. Turned against the obvious target of police present, verbal and active resistance. Now it’s become a protest, with chanting and singing. No longer a vigil, no longer Covid compliant.

What should the Police do, stand back? Allow Covid rules to be broken?
They can’t win.
Take action, get criticised. Stand back, get criticised.
This won’t bother the Met, they’ve been here a thousand times before.

Their response was necessary to control aggressive resistance of the activists present.
The media love it, the politicians wade in with absurd calls for the commissioner to quit, not wanting to be the one to go against popular opinion and support the police.
Could be the vigil have been allowed with stewarding; possibly?
Would that have stopped it becoming a protest?
We don’t know, but with the strength of feeling about women at risk coupled with the presence of activists and the target of police present, more than likely.

The Met responded on the night in a way that was proportionate to the threat they faced.

Don’t like what happened last night? Then listen to and comply with requests from law enforcement agencies.

Compare that to a perfectly peaceful, socially distanced vigil in Nottingham....same reason, no problems.
If there had been a few statues to uproot, they would have been left alone!
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
I reserve my greatest contempt for politicians attacking the police for enforcing the rules they (the politicians) voted in themselves and have supported being enforced on others (anti-lockdown protestors for example). If you live in the country where the law is selectively enforced depending on whether you are are in a 'protected' group or not, then you live in a police state.
Take another look, we do!
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Police don't enforce the law equally. Friend of mine had 4 friends around for drinks in his shed. Neighbour called police and they arrived and fined them which is fair enough.
Be interesting how many of those last night get fined.
Local forest has hundreds turning up from all over north of England to mountain bike , breaking travel rules but police do nothing.
Police like easy targets.
Should have been wearing masks and carrying a bag marked "Swag" , having kicked the door in. Burglary is not such a good earner, plod would not have bothered to attend!
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Met police reneg on peaceful demonstration. Cone down hard on women demonstrating about women who may have been murdered by.....serving met policeman. Doesn't look good does it?
Met have form. Anyone remember the pensioners pouring blood after being clouted by the plod on the countryside alliance march?
 

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