How the negotiations are being managed

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
You're being naive there. A broken Irish economy, particularly with exposure to British banks, as well as other European banks would most certainly have had a negative effect on the British economy.
Et tu Galway... no naivety here, nor self delusion in re' the financial realities. And no overestimation of effects either...
 

Ashtree

Member
Aye up lads, if it isn't even more fake news. This time from Bloomberg. Imagine the Right Honourable David Davis, member for Uxbridge, saying that Britain will continue to accept low skill immigrants from Europe for "years and years" post Brexit. I mean how ridiculous is that?
Must be fake news! Mustn't it! I mean ... these bloody liberal leftie types have absolutely no qualms as to the extent of fake news they are prepared to put out there.
Davis: UK Will Need Low-Skilled EU Migrants After Brexit
http://bloom.bg/2kZFejq
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Aye up lads, if it isn't even more fake news. This time from Bloomberg. Imagine the Right Honourable David Davis, member for Uxbridge, saying that Britain will continue to accept low skill immigrants from Europe for "years and years" post Brexit. I mean how ridiculous is that?
Must be fake news! Mustn't it! I mean ... these bloody liberal leftie types have absolutely no qualms as to the extent of fake news they are prepared to put out there.
Davis: UK Will Need Low-Skilled EU Migrants After Brexit
http://bloom.bg/2kZFejq


It's hard to imagine any sort of significant numbers of European low skill workers wanting to go to the uk. What with the beatings up, literally murders and at the very least, just feeling plain unwelcome (erm they voted to keep them out!), life at home seems the better option
 

RobFZS

Member
It's hard to imagine any sort of significant numbers of European low skill workers wanting to go to the uk. What with the beatings up, literally murders and at the very least, just feeling plain unwelcome (erm they voted to keep them out!), life at home seems the better option

Beatings up? Murders? have you heard yourself, How come France can't look after child refugee's and so we have to take them?, is it that much of a hell hole they can't be left there without being taken advantage of? those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 

RobFZS

Member
Aye up lads, if it isn't even more fake news. This time from Bloomberg. Imagine the Right Honourable David Davis, member for Uxbridge, saying that Britain will continue to accept low skill immigrants from Europe for "years and years" post Brexit. I mean how ridiculous is that?
Must be fake news! Mustn't it! I mean ... these bloody liberal leftie types have absolutely no qualms as to the extent of fake news they are prepared to put out there.
Davis: UK Will Need Low-Skilled EU Migrants After Brexit
http://bloom.bg/2kZFejq
People and economies take time to adapt, who'd have thunk it, how long did it take Ireland to pay off their bailout?

That's what happens when you have an inflexible economy.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Beatings up? Murders? have you heard yourself, How come France can't look after child refugee's and so we have to take them?, is it that much of a hell hole they can't be left there without being taken advantage of? those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


You don't want them anyway so what's your problem.
Yes there have been beating ups and murders of poles and cz's since Black Friday:(

Having said you don't want them there, just mind you don't find yourself needing to use a hospital in the future
 

RobFZS

Member
You don't want them anyway so what's your problem.
Yes there have been beating ups and murders of poles and cz's since Black Friday:(

Having said you don't want them there, just mind you don't find yourself needing to use a hospital in the future
Been plenty of beatings/murders of white nationals aswell, other than people such as yourself riling people up over it, everything's back to normal.

It's a national disgrace that the NHS is ran off migrants, it should never have happened, it's the only kick up the arse the government will get to actually fund and train British nationals here to do the jobs instead.

Funny how you ignore my point of the child refugee's, France must be that bad.
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
You don't want them anyway so what's your problem.
Yes there have been beating ups and murders of poles and cz's since Black Friday:(

Having said you don't want them there, just mind you don't find yourself needing to use a hospital in the future

they have been fairly busy in your capital at the weekend(y)
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Been plenty of beatings/murders of white nationals aswell, other than people such as yourself riling people up over it, everything's back to normal.

It's a national disgrace that the NHS is ran off migrants, it should never have happened, it's the only kick up the arse the government will get to actually fund and train British nationals here to do the jobs instead.

Funny how you ignore my point of the child refugee's, France must be that bad.


Calais maybe, no idea. You are much closer than I am(y).
What colour would you call cz's and poles then? Even my dad who was about the worlds worst racist had to concede my wife is white.

Visited my mum in Kettering hospital in late November. About the only uk person I saw working there was the receptionist. I see big trouble ahead there
 

RobFZS

Member
Calais maybe, no idea. You are much closer than I am(y).
What colour would you call cz's and poles then? Even my dad who was about the worlds worst racist had to concede my wife is white.

Visited my mum in Kettering hospital in late November. About the only uk person I saw working there was the receptionist. I see big trouble ahead there
It'll be fine, just like the Eu will be as you always say.

White nationals asin, British nationals if you want to get over excited about it, they're always knocking the sh!t out of each other, regardless of the vote, this was just the excuse this time to wash the people of any self control, Brexit, drugs, stealing, it's always someone elses fault when these things happen.
 
As a political 'necessity' yes, because it was Ireland, and with all the attendant baggage that comes with that. But not really in a financial sense.

Yes, really, in a financial sense.

"Much of this is politics and spin. Despite Europhobic complaints that Britain is paying to rescue the despised euro single currency, Britain, in fact, will be helping Ireland in order to help itself. British banks' lending to Ireland, at €149bn, is the highest in the EU. An Irish collapse would hammer British banks. The two neighbouring economies are utterly intertwined, not least because of Northern Ireland, and British trade with and exports to Ireland are huge."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-money-coming-loan
 

baabaa

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Location
co Antrim
Yes, really, in a financial sense.

"Much of this is politics and spin. Despite Europhobic complaints that Britain is paying to rescue the despised euro single currency, Britain, in fact, will be helping Ireland in order to help itself. British banks' lending to Ireland, at €149bn, is the highest in the EU. An Irish collapse would hammer British banks. The two neighbouring economies are utterly intertwined, not least because of Northern Ireland, and British trade with and exports to Ireland are huge."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-money-coming-loan
think that is a wee bit out of date many of the property loans have been bought by vulture funds much to the locals disdain
http://www.independent.ie/business/...closing-in-on-hundreds-of-farms-35371733.html
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Yes, really, in a financial sense.

"Much of this is politics and spin. Despite Europhobic complaints that Britain is paying to rescue the despised euro single currency, Britain, in fact, will be helping Ireland in order to help itself. British banks' lending to Ireland, at €149bn, is the highest in the EU. An Irish collapse would hammer British banks. The two neighbouring economies are utterly intertwined, not least because of Northern Ireland, and British trade with and exports to Ireland are huge."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-money-coming-loan
Well, it was in the Guardian, so it must be true and have no 'slant', honest... :rolleyes:.

But, joking apart, when Mark Carney was giving post-Referendum interviews last month - and generally winding back on the pre-Referendum doom-saying - he said at least twice in re' questions around the hyperbole about a, then, potential Brexit, that the 'hysteria' was much like that about British exposure to Ireland during the Euro crisis - to be fair I don't think he did the word 'hysteria', that's my paraphrasing from memory, but the sentiment remains. Now, hard figures are literally hard facts and I'm not going to pretend otherwise; and there is no doubt that a screwed Irish economy wouldn't be a great help to the UK. But, to paint it as some sort of 'financial Armageddon' for us, isn't a reality either.

However, since you have raised the subject of banks, overseas exposure etc., aren't they all arguments for the EU and the UK to come to a decent rather than a punitive deal? The more I hear Jean Claude Juncker and co. say that there can't be a good deal for the UK because that would mean others leaving the EU, the more convinced I am that the EU is on borrowed time unless it returns to a free trade area and no more.

And, as the EU's chief negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt, has set out very well in his latest book 'Europe's last Chance', the EU can only become more unified if it is to survive, because the 27 states simply can't agree sufficiently often is sufficient time for the system to run 'efficiently', that will only happen as a single state... Europe.
 
that is a wee bit out of date

It's precisely in date for what Danllan and myself are talking about.

Well, it was in the Guardian, so it must be true and have no 'slant', honest... :rolleyes:.

Thought you would say that so here one from the Financial Times :D There are many, many more pieces like that out there saying the same thing.

https://www.ft.com/content/5b9f2dbe-f66e-11df-846a-00144feab49a

Twist it whichever way you like, but a broken Ireland would have had a big effect on Britain.
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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