How to Beat the Criminals?

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[ollie989898]

Someone please tell me what good telephoning the police right now would do? 'Excuse me, Mr Operator, 5 men with crowbars are breaking into my garage, I require an airstrike...'

'Sorry Sir, best we can do is a PCSO with a notepad on Wednesday, 11am?'

 

[unlacedgecko]

A level playing field for those in inner city areas where crime is rife, developers gentryfication driving people out of where they live and work and criminality is not such a threat. Youngsters can get a job which is not a zero hour contact and family is the focus. The Apprenticeship scheme is in ruins yet companies complain of a skills shortage. Education is in disarray with overcrowded schools and underfunding and ethnic minorities are harassed by an underfunded police force because neither can talk. Not an easy task for anyone, ever.
No I can't solve everything but we do have to try and we have to start somewhere. Angry @Swarfmonkey posts don't help matey.

SS

no such thing as a level playing field, there never has been. All of life is competition, a struggle for resources and power.

baffles me why western society is so keen on destroying themselves by inviting in unskilled and unemployable migrants from foreign shores, who’s cultures are at odds with our own.
if youngsters want a job that isn’t zero hours they’d better up skill themselves and make themselves more attractive to employers. But they don’t want to. They want to run around with guns and knives selling drugs. And some how thst my fault? My responsibility to pay for them?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Someone please tell me what good telephoning the police right now would do? 'Excuse me, Mr Operator, 5 men with crowbars are breaking into my garage, I require an airstrike...'

'Sorry Sir, best we can do is a PCSO with a notepad on Wednesday, 11am?'

“When the seconds count, the police are only minutes away”

The British police are incapable (or unwilling) to protect rural communities. This is why it’s vital firearms law is changed to allow their use in self defence and defence of property. Stand your ground and castle laws should also be introduced.

 

[ollie989898]

“When the seconds count, the police are only minutes away”

The British police are incapable (or unwilling) to protect rural communities. This is why it’s vital firearms law is changed to allow their use in self defence and defence of property. Stand your ground and castle laws should also be introduced.

I have no offensive weapons as such, however there are a few wheeled toys on the stairs- far more lethal.

 

[MRT]

baffles me why western society is so keen on destroying themselves by inviting in unskilled and unemployable migrants from foreign shores, who’s cultures are at odds with our own.

I'd always assumed it was because our economy requires constant growth, added to that an easy way to keep people moving up the wealth ladder and feeling happy is to keep adding people to the bottom

 

[unlacedgecko]

I'd always assumed it was because our economy requires constant growth, added to that an easy way to keep people moving up the wealth ladder and feeling happy is to keep adding people to the bottom

But the majority of these that arrive don’t contribute to the economy. They just live off the welfare teat cradle to grave.

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Of course it was intelligence led - it's grossly unfair to claim that police are racist because they stop more black people driving black Mercedes with tinted windows in an area known for drugs and violent crime. As someone has already said here, that's the easy way out. 'Intelligence' in this context means having the experience to recognise criminal hallmarks.

Choice of vehicle says a great deal. Bentley Turbo, you're a Spiv. Rolls Royce, you're a fat cat. Old V-dub camper, a hippy, etc. Blacked-out black Mercedes says you're distinctly dodgy. If you don't want to be treated like a criminal, don't dress up to look like one. Simple.

I was stopped by the police recently (in my old VW camper...). Soon as I heard the whoop and saw the lights behind me, I pulled over. I was polite to the officer, and when asked to step out of the vehicle I did so. Even though my aged parents were on board - not relevant. So I got a polite warning not to break the speed limit again, and was allowed on my way. What I did NOT do was carry on driving, and then refuse to get out and start screaming. I have no sympathy for this couple - they deserved what they got (handcuffs and interrogation) and I'm sick that the Met is now all apologetic. They should be making it clear - when a police officer says stop, you'd better stop. When he says get out, get out. White or black, if you refuse to do as you're told, you're making trouble. That is not racism. It's actually racist to make such an accusation.

The police get a bum deal. We put them on the front line and tell them to catch people breaking the law. It's not their fault that most drug and violent crime around London is committed by young black people. That's our problem and we should deal with it.

Society, ie: all of us, doesn't treat certain people as well as it should. Not just black people, but disabled, poor and old people too. It's an animal fact, not only a white human one. Everywhere in the world, in all species, if for any reason you're weaker than the majority, you get trampled on. A mark of human civilisation is that we try to rise above mere animal instincts and apply a moral standard, but it will always be a battle, because animal instincts are hard to control and some of us are less able than others. Hence we still have the problems of rape, robbery and other forms of discrimination - and we always will.

I would suggest that your otherwise lovely daughters could do with some mature advice, rather than unqualified support in all their opinions. They are probably young, which means impulsive, emotional, easily-led and all the other weaknesses I had myself many years ago. The role of a good parent is to get them to see the other side of a situation, to stay calm and look for practical solutions rather than just being rude to people, any people, who have to do a shitty job.

Were you there? No.
I know nothing except what I have 'heard' and seen so I'm commenting from that angle.
Yes I'd stop immediately.
My daughters can do as they please. I support them. I do not agree with them.
My eldest has seen some inner city issues, similar to that which the police see as she is a senior nurse. She is not happy with how they behave at all. She is a privileged white person with a top education and has made her mind up to behave in the way she does. Closer to 40 now. She has a BF of African origin and all the issues that come with living in an inner city environment and being with a coloured person. He is a education specialist yet still suffers police harassment. His father is a professor emeritus FFS and still suffers harassment. HTF am I supposed to justify my whiteness in this light.
Copy & paste.....;That's our problem and we should deal with it. Yes we need to before the situation worsens. Look at how things have deteriorated in the last decade.
I don't do the car thing. I haven't a clue there. I just think the way things are going needs to be overhauled big time. Not the shoot to kill that some advocate.
The police have a bum deal. Deal with it. But treat folk with respect.
SS

 

[dudders]

Is there a yawn emoji?
SS

That's just childish. You said earlier you were bored, but you're still in the debate and with great vigour.

That's fair enough. Nothing like bribery to keep the children in line. They really do have minde of their own don't you know. Irespective of what you may or may not think, to bludgeon your own children into thinking what you say they should is torture and I'd not wish that on anyone! Wow that's cruelty in its most subtle form. The dogs home it is then.....
SS

You know what he means. It's the middle bit. That's the point. And you did say earlier that you support your daughters' absolute rudeness to all police. It's just that little statement that has got everybody so riled. As Grassman says, it's no better than racism, so your girls are bringing their behaviour down to the level of those they most detest. If you could inspire your daughters to work to achieve the admirable goals you set in your post no.212 whilst understanding the predicament faced by the police, things could get better.

Actually I don't believe they are so rude and inconsiderate. You're just winding us up. Sure they're nicer than that?

 

[ollie989898]

Were you there? No.
I know nothing except what I have 'heard' and seen so I'm commenting from that angle.
Yes I'd stop immediately.
My daughters can do as they please. I support them. I do not agree with them.
My eldest has seen some inner city issues, similar to that which the police see as she is a senior nurse. She is not happy with how they behave at all. She is a privileged white person with a top education and has made her mind up to behave in the way she does. Closer to 40 now. She has a BF of African origin and all the issues that come with living in an inner city environment and being with a coloured person. He is a education specialist yet still suffers police harassment. His father is a professor emeritus FFS and still suffers harassment. HTF am I supposed to justify my whiteness in this light.
Copy & paste.....;That's our problem and we should deal with it. Yes we need to before the situation worsens. Look at how things have deteriorated in the last decade.
I don't do the car thing. I haven't a clue there. I just think the way things are going needs to be overhauled big time. Not the shoot to kill that some advocate.
The police have a bum deal. Deal with it. But treat folk with respect.
SS

Whilst I agree with your points in general, there is no need for anyone to 'justify their whiteness' whatsoever. Such a notion is absurd in the extreme. None of us chose our skin colour or toe length and can do nothing to change it. No one should be made to feel guilty for something they have not had a hand in, and that includes people of all strides in life.

I have no doubt the inner city police are repeatedly pulling over people of particular racial appearance, it stinks but should we really expect anything less from them?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Were you there? No.
I know nothing except what I have 'heard' and seen so I'm commenting from that angle.
Yes I'd stop immediately.
My daughters can do as they please. I support them. I do not agree with them.
My eldest has seen some inner city issues, similar to that which the police see as she is a senior nurse. She is not happy with how they behave at all. She is a privileged white person with a top education and has made her mind up to behave in the way she does. Closer to 40 now. She has a BF of African origin and all the issues that come with living in an inner city environment and being with a coloured person. He is a education specialist yet still suffers police harassment. His father is a professor emeritus FFS and still suffers harassment. HTF am I supposed to justify my whiteness in this light.
Copy & paste.....;That's our problem and we should deal with it. Yes we need to before the situation worsens. Look at how things have deteriorated in the last decade.
I don't do the car thing. I haven't a clue there. I just think the way things are going needs to be overhauled big time. Not the shoot to kill that some advocate.
The police have a bum deal. Deal with it. But treat folk with respect.
SS

why and in what possible circumstance do you need to “justify your whiteness?” You’re no more responsible for your whiteness than your daughter‘s boyfriend does his blackness.

 

[suffolksmallholder]

That's just childish. You said earlier you were bored, but you're still in the debate and with great vigour.



You know what he means. It's the middle bit. That's the point. And you did say earlier that you support your daughters' absolute rudeness to all police. It's just that little statement that has got everybody so riled. As Grassman says, it's no better than racism, so your girls are bringing their behaviour down to the level of those they most detest. If you could inspire your daughters to work to achieve the admirable goals you set in your post no.212 whilst understanding the predicament faced by the police, things could get better.

Actually I don't believe they are so rude and inconsiderate. You're just winding us up. Sure they're nicer than that?

I can only agree with you there
They are lovely but beat me up over my conservatism!
SS

 

[Hard Graft]

whats people thoughts on electric gates as we have two two lanes in and out off the place and a couple of field gates but they are closed and blocked with logs all year and there is not other places you could get any machines out with a lot of hassle as there a big banks ditches and forestry on the road side

 

[suffolksmallholder]

why and in what possible circumstance do you need to “justify your whiteness?” You’re no more responsible for your whiteness than your daughter‘s boyfriend does his blackness.

Sometimes it is embarassing. I did not grow up in an inner city so I have a slant towards empathising in an opposite way in that I'm embarassed for my white privilege. I've never had the experience of being racially profiled so this is my way of attempting to compensate.
SS

 

[Farmer_Joe]

well thats the first person ive ever put on ignore, someone with such contempt for police in probably the most tolerant country in the world is mind boggling

back on topic, gates even if not locked are a great deterant, keeps people well away

 

[unlacedgecko]

Sometimes it is embarassing. I did not grow up in an inner city so I have a slant towards empathising in an opposite way in that I'm embarassed for my white privilege. I've never had the experience of being racially profiled so this is my way of attempting to compensate.
SS

I’ve never read anything more horrendous. So you want to see my white son discriminated against in order for you to feel better/less embarrassed around your daughter’s boyfriend?

 

[dudders]

no such thing as a level playing field, there never has been. All of life is competition, a struggle for resources and power.

baffles me why western society is so keen on destroying themselves by inviting in unskilled and unemployable migrants from foreign shores, who’s cultures are at odds with our own.
if youngsters want a job that isn’t zero hours they’d better up skill themselves and make themselves more attractive to employers. But they don’t want to. They want to run around with guns and knives selling drugs. And some how thst my fault? My responsibility to pay for them?

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Mostly true - and probably applies to more whites than blacks. I've got one of them as a tenant and had others before. Just can't be arsed to work, so sit around with luxuries I could never afford and all paid for by me and the rest of us.

But I think the level playing-field thing should at least mean that all competitors get to run from the same start line. White or black, rich or poor, you all start here, shoulder to shoulder. When the gun goes, get a flaming shift on, coz the prizes go to the best. Discrimination means saying to some competitors they have to start further back. Or further forward. Giving anyone an advantage or a handicap because of their race is bad news for society, as it means we end up getting not the best person for the job, which is just another factor that pulls the country down, and gives the edge to those who only select by ability.

I reckon it's society's responsibility to chase everybody up to get them to the level start-line in the best possible shape. These days in the UK we're not doing that. We need to toughen up - but when we do, we just get accused of an -ism. We need to ignore the snowflakes, cut the handouts and get people to take responsibility, but how do you get pigs' snouts out of the trough? Stop putting food in it, maybe.

For crying in a bucket - the taxpayer's now going to fund half-price meals out???? I give up.

 

[The law of sod]

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread but
Local tea leaves are back doing rounds again,

Anybody suggest good security cameras,
could do with 6 Around the house,

ones that Can send An alert to The phone,or can watch off the phone?even two way speaker so ,can throw some abuse there way.

Also would need to be able to record it,and have a clear enough picture to see the feckers and what cars there driving.
Any suggestions ?

Cheers

 

[Grassman]

No I don't detest the Police I think the force needs a serious overhaul that's all. Read my posts please. Don't jump to conclusions. If we as a society have to move forward together we need to act together. Unlike your abrasive jump into this discussion. If we continue on our current course will see worse.
I have a beef with rural policing in that the farming/rural people are overlooked and I made my point after losing a lifetimes worth of tools in the only way I could. Did you know speed camera operatives in rural areas are often highly experienced ex-police officers? What a waste of a valuable rescource eh. Rural crime is on the increase massively and WTF do speed vans add to the equation. Re-task those experienced men to DO something constructive. Why don't you join the force? I'm assuming by your military service time that you are eligable as you are obviously still quite young. Money where mouth is and all that.
Your attitude is just perfect for negotiating with a disillusioned layer of society. Not. You will have to re-adjust to being kinder, and more caring if we as a race can move forward.
Great that you served in Afghanistan and I'm not knocking your courage but really what a waste. All over opium. Similar Vietnam all over communism and all the vietnamese wanted was to get rid of Westerners robbing them blind

SS

I actually agree with some of that

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread but
Local tea leaves are back doing rounds again,

Anybody suggest good security cameras,
could do with 6 Around the house,

ones that Can send An alert to The phone,or can watch off the phone?even two way speaker so ,can throw some abuse there way.

Also would need to be able to record it,and have a clear enough picture to see the feckers and what cars there driving.
Any suggestions ?

Cheers

Hikvision seem to be the camera that gets good reports and is sensible money.

 

[ollie989898]

Sometimes it is embarassing. I did not grow up in an inner city so I have a slant towards empathising in an opposite way in that I'm embarassed for my white privilege. I've never had the experience of being racially profiled so this is my way of attempting to compensate.
SS

Can you explain your thinking for me a bit more as I do not understand it?

Why are you embarrassed and for what specific reason? Why should anyone on this thread, irrespective of their ancestry, country of birth or skin colour feel bad because of the actions of the police who have been accused of racially profiling people in inner cities??

I don't see a need to 'compensate' as you describe it. For average and reasonable human beings -of which I am certain the contributors to this thread will be- a degree of empathy and standing up for the rights of others is all that is needed. I too have been the subject of police prejudice once. I was in a car accident, in which I was very lucky to walk away, yet the police officer who arrived on scene immediately assumed it was my fault based on nothing but my age and I was subsequently treated like a criminal. I was very fortunate a retained fireman had witnessed the behaviour of the other driver for some minutes prior and came forward and put the world to rights.