How to become a member of the Society of Ploughmen?

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Tern Valley Vintage Ploughing hold a ploughing match, a road run and a ploughing practice day each year, they donate in the region of £1000/1500 per annum to charity

Can anyone tell the forum the last time the SOP donated anything to a charity ?
As a registered charity in its own right there is no requirement for it to do so, for example, the RSPCA uses its funds to look after animals, the RSPB birds, the SOP ploughmen and match ploughing.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
I am one of the disgruntled ex members but, like many I have met who are in the same boat as me, had deep misgivings about the day to day running of the SOP rather than the deeper political issues that have emerged only more recently. There is a saying "look after the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves", in other words take care of the smaller issues and the larger ones will take care of themselves. Treat people with disdain when a question arises and the knives will soon be sharpened and the underlying faults exposed. Like the EU, arrogance leads to resentment which is difficult to quell.
Nail well and truely struck. There is nothing like lack of information for breeding and nurturing rumours! Deliberate disdain, coupled with a lack of communicational skills and a biblical confidence in their right to do things their way, then sets the rumours in stone.
In order to settle complaints you need to listen to the complainant, consider what has been said, and if required change your own ideas, not a thing the original management was renowned for!
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Nail well and truely struck. There is nothing like lack of information for breeding and nurturing rumours! Deliberate disdain, coupled with a lack of communicational skills and a biblical confidence in their right to do things their way, then lights the fuse.
In order to settle complaints you need to listen to the complainant, consider what has been said, and if required change your own ideas, not a thing the original management was renowned for!
Thank you Harry. You are an optimist and I am surely a pessimist. Let us hope you are not disappointed
 

Roy Stokes

Member
Location
East Shropshire
As a registered charity in its own right there is no requirement for it to do so, for example, the RSPCA uses its funds to look after animals, the RSPB birds, the SOP ploughmen and match ploughing.

I am well aware there is no requirement for the society to make donations, however my post did not ask that question, it would appear to me that if a small club such as Tern Valley can keep themselves well and truly afloat and make donations then the SOP should be able to as well, and as for the SOP looking after match ploughing I would say with the lack of youngsters up and coming and stories of what talent there is being mistreated then it appears they are failing on that score as well.

I do enjoy reading your support for the SOP then going way back in the archives on here to read what your other face wrote before your visit to Doncaster to be brain washed
 

Howard150

Member
Location
Yorkshire
As a registered charity in its own right there is no requirement for it to do so, for example, the RSPCA uses its funds to look after animals, the RSPB birds, the SOP ploughmen and match ploughing.
Tern Valley Vintage Ploughing hold a ploughing match, a road run and a ploughing practice day each year, they donate in the region of £1000/1500 per annum to charity

Can anyone tell the forum the last time the SOP donated anything to a charity ?

We at Scarcroft still give prize money, although nothing grand it is still an acknowledgement. We also contribute in excess of £600 a year to deserving charities such as the Air Ambulance, The British Heart Foundation, Arthritis Research, Cancer Research and a couple of local Hospices. All these funds are raised by Friends of Scarcroft & District Ploughing Society at our dinner, our summer barbecue and at our match.
In all fairness it is not a charities remit to contribute to other charities. It is however in its remit to benefit those who fall under its umberella. Unfortunately there are far more ploughmen out in the field doing more good work to promote ploughing than the SOP does.

Nail well and truely struck. There is nothing like lack of information for breeding and nurturing rumours! Deliberate disdain, coupled with a lack of communicational skills and a biblical confidence in their right to do things their way, then sets the rumours in stone.
In order to settle complaints you need to listen to the complainant, consider what has been said, and if required change your own ideas, not a thing the original management was renowned for!

Harry please enlighten us as to either what you are on or which Devils advocate you actually are in league with.
Using the RSPCA as an analogy is low by even your staggering dual standards.
Having been a ploughman for 20 years, having represented England, won for England, I have yet to see how any charitable funds actually benefit ploughmen. I wait with baited breath. I have also, despite winning at the national and being runner up on several occasions, won exactly the same in terms of prize money as you have won over the years at said National and you not even a member.
Every seminar I attended had to be paid for.
Rule books have to be paid for.
Surely the match is self funding? That's why the demonstration plots pay £5000 a year to get the best land and those of us with a genuine right to be there get an apology for a plot.
It is also questionable why a society such as the SOP hold funds in excess of £200000 whilst not actually benefiting members. Running the World competition is not a valid excuse.
Could it be, I ask, that the only reason for the charitable status is the protection it affords its officers and their personal assets if they were to be found responsible for a tragic accident at the National.
Neither have I had a penny for any expenses to represent England. For me personally, then to represent England was an honour, you did however Harry, make the pretext that the charitable status was there to benefit ploughmen.
It also needs to be said that caterers and ice cream vendors, by their conspicuous absence in the account over the years, are somewhat guilty of defrauding the very same charity.
Last but not least is the vast revenue which the SOP so readily give to competitors attending the World Match, European, Five and Six Nations competitors. Bigger rounds have been bought in a pub.
Forgive me for the observation but having ruled out all the above, the sole beneficiaries of this entire venture seem to be concentrated in a family unit based in Doncaster.
Calling in The Charities commission works on the same basis as being a coalman.....'it's never too late to be a coalman'
......and before you all start leaping up and down and accusing me of a vindictive attack on the SOP, look back to the beginning of the post - I was the recipient of the first shot - not the one who fired off the round.
 
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Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Well, I must admit to trailing my coat a little, I "forgot" to mention how they benefited ploughmen, or was it that the light was under a really thick bushel? It was one of my "other faces" main complaints, that the SOP wanted all the credit, with none of the responsibility For example, making the rules but putting no enforcement system in place, and in some cases ignoring said rules. That is still the case, and I mention it whenever I see rule breaking going on.
In earlier times I was convinced that the world match was a "vanity project" doomed to expensive failure. I was wrong and I must say that having attended the event, I was quite pleased to be proved so. The lack of financial help for our world reps is another thing I complained about, but having been told there was no money, and the accounts seeming to prove the fact, the answer had to be accepted. Now funds are available, a contribution is being made.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
I am well aware there is no requirement for the society to make donations, however my post did not ask that question, it would appear to me that if a small club such as Tern Valley can keep themselves well and truly afloat and make donations then the SOP should be able to as well, and as for the SOP looking after match ploughing I would say with the lack of youngsters up and coming and stories of what talent there is being mistreated then it appears they are failing on that score as well.

I do enjoy reading your support for the SOP then going way back in the archives on here to read what your other face wrote before your visit to Doncaster to be brain washed
Talent being mistreated I believe this is endemic in any individual sport, its only team sports where established figures benefit from helping the up and coming.The top men are too bent on winning (at almost any cost, some handle even if they are the only competitor in the class!) so the most useful information is kept very close to home.
I have experienced this, during my stay in Doncaster, I was promised some help to sort out problems, this became a field to plough, and a quick walk over the work listening to informative comments on the lines of" I dont like that" or, "I like this"! Really helpful!
I would term blatant rule breaking as mistreatment of other competitors, if this happens to a gifted novice, he will soon get the idea that he will not be allowed to compete fairly, and will put the kit in the back of the barn
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Well, I must admit to trailing my coat a little, I "forgot" to mention how they benefited ploughmen, or was it that the light was under a really thick bushel? It was one of my "other faces" main complaints, that the SOP wanted all the credit, with none of the responsibility For example, making the rules but putting no enforcement system in place, and in some cases ignoring said rules. That is still the case, and I mention it whenever I see rule breaking going on.
In earlier times I was convinced that the world match was a "vanity project" doomed to expensive failure. I was wrong and I must say that having attended the event, I was quite pleased to be proved so. The lack of financial help for our world reps is another thing I complained about, but having been told there was no money, and the accounts seeming to prove the fact, the answer had to be accepted. Now funds are available, a contribution is being made.
Reminds me of a song from the sixties.

All the chapel tills were ringing
Down at good old Quarry farm
And the cash that they were bringing
Was for ploughmen travel bound.

Total fiction and wishful thinking of course unless you are of the correct persuasion
 

BobP

New Member
Location
Kent
Once again, another thread is hijacked by the ‘We Hate The Society of Ploughmen’ brigade! A simple question was asked – what age do you have to be to join the SOP? A simple answer would be ‘any age are welcome’. I personally would add that it is a great Society to be part of! It organises the British Ploughing Championships each year and put on a splendid World Ploughing Championship in York last year.

But no, off we go with the same old rants.

I don’t post on here simply because anyone with anything positive to say about the SOP is shot down. But I love to read the forum and enjoy the subjects raised and even most of the banter between members and I am sure there are plenty of other people in the same boat as me.

But I cannot sit back any longer without comment. I am sick to death of the despicable accusations being posted! They drag up things time and time again and I hope most who read the posts can see right through them as for reasons known to themselves this small brigade clearly each have an axe to grind and are unable to move forward. Most are not members and now we find there are also the ex-directors who have been kicked out.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves with posts which are just heresay masquerading as the truth, or where the truth has been edited or stretched to suit. At times the posts on here have been vitriolic and downright slanderous. I thought of the phrase pot calling the kettle black when Howard accused Harry of talking drivel and the utter belief of his opinions. Howard, you obviously believe your own opinions as absolute truth. some of us know otherwise but we know it's not worth the effort to respond.

The troubles started because the 5 wouldn't accept majority decisions, ended when the majority voted them out and they still don’t accept it! Instead, they are clearly still pulling on strings and looking for any scraps they can find to try and pull the SOP down. It makes for interesting to reading looking back over the posts of TCN Ploughman, now knowing that he was one of those kicked out.

Personally, I believe the decision made about the succession was probably one of the best made! The present 'incumbent',CEO or whatever you want to call her has proved herself the best 'man' for the job. As Harry said she was catapulted forward when Ken was ill and ensured the 2015 National in Kent was a success and with his continued illness went on to ensure the World match ran smoothly. Not many of you have pointed out what a splendid match it was! Harry is the only one with the guts to admit he was wrong. You don't drag up all the threats you were posting that it would fail, they were losing money, the SOP would go bankrupt, Sue would fail, no-one would want to be members etc...and now they've worked hard, been successful and made a profit you want to discredit them for that too!

Its now time to move on! Stop the bickering and stop hijacking almost every thread by having a 'dig' at every opportunity. We should all be embracing the fact that the SOP has proved itself a success and celebrating the triumph of the World contest in this country.

So draw a line, move on and set out to encourage young people to join and take part in competition ploughing. It's not just up to SOP to encourage young ploughmen, it starts with local societies and you as ploughmen. If you don't, when you are all dead and buried, there won’t be any ploughing matches left as all the youngsters (or even older people) you are discouraging on here through all the negativity may well go find a different hobby instead. That would be a great legacy for you to leave behind.

We have a good Society, run by good people and a great national. I'm not saying it's perfect, nothing ever is, but I for one am very proud to be a member and will continue to support it. So start afresh and use this Forum as a positive tool and promote competition ploughing, your local matches and our national to the world.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
Once again, another thread is hijacked by the ‘We Hate The Society of Ploughmen’ brigade! A simple question was asked – what age do you have to be to join the SOP? A simple answer would be ‘any age are welcome’. I personally would add that it is a great Society to be part of! It organises the British Ploughing Championships each year and put on a splendid World Ploughing Championship in York last year.

But no, off we go with the same old rants.

I don’t post on here simply because anyone with anything positive to say about the SOP is shot down. But I love to read the forum and enjoy the subjects raised and even most of the banter between members and I am sure there are plenty of other people in the same boat as me.

But I cannot sit back any longer without comment. I am sick to death of the despicable accusations being posted! They drag up things time and time again and I hope most who read the posts can see right through them as for reasons known to themselves this small brigade clearly each have an axe to grind and are unable to move forward. Most are not members and now we find there are also the ex-directors who have been kicked out.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves with posts which are just heresay masquerading as the truth, or where the truth has been edited or stretched to suit. At times the posts on here have been vitriolic and downright slanderous. I thought of the phrase pot calling the kettle black when Howard accused Harry of talking drivel and the utter belief of his opinions. Howard, you obviously believe your own opinions as absolute truth. some of us know otherwise but we know it's not worth the effort to respond.

The troubles started because the 5 wouldn't accept majority decisions, ended when the majority voted them out and they still don’t accept it! Instead, they are clearly still pulling on strings and looking for any scraps they can find to try and pull the SOP down. It makes for interesting to reading looking back over the posts of TCN Ploughman, now knowing that he was one of those kicked out.

Personally, I believe the decision made about the succession was probably one of the best made! The present 'incumbent',CEO or whatever you want to call her has proved herself the best 'man' for the job. As Harry said she was catapulted forward when Ken was ill and ensured the 2015 National in Kent was a success and with his continued illness went on to ensure the World match ran smoothly. Not many of you have pointed out what a splendid match it was! Harry is the only one with the guts to admit he was wrong. You don't drag up all the threats you were posting that it would fail, they were losing money, the SOP would go bankrupt, Sue would fail, no-one would want to be members etc...and now they've worked hard, been successful and made a profit you want to discredit them for that too!

Its now time to move on! Stop the bickering and stop hijacking almost every thread by having a 'dig' at every opportunity. We should all be embracing the fact that the SOP has proved itself a success and celebrating the triumph of the World contest in this country.

So draw a line, move on and set out to encourage young people to join and take part in competition ploughing. It's not just up to SOP to encourage young ploughmen, it starts with local societies and you as ploughmen. If you don't, when you are all dead and buried, there won’t be any ploughing matches left as all the youngsters (or even older people) you are discouraging on here through all the negativity may well go find a different hobby instead. That would be a great legacy for you to leave behind.

We have a good Society, run by good people and a great national. I'm not saying it's perfect, nothing ever is, but I for one am very proud to be a member and will continue to support it. So start afresh and use this Forum as a positive tool and promote competition ploughing, your local matches and our national to the world.
well said
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Once again, another thread is hijacked by the ‘We Hate The Society of Ploughmen’ brigade! A simple question was asked – what age do you have to be to join the SOP? A simple answer would be ‘any age are welcome’. I personally would add that it is a great Society to be part of! It organises the British Ploughing Championships each year and put on a splendid World Ploughing Championship in York last year.

But no, off we go with the same old rants.

I don’t post on here simply because anyone with anything positive to say about the SOP is shot down. But I love to read the forum and enjoy the subjects raised and even most of the banter between members and I am sure there are plenty of other people in the same boat as me.

But I cannot sit back any longer without comment. I am sick to death of the despicable accusations being posted! They drag up things time and time again and I hope most who read the posts can see right through them as for reasons known to themselves this small brigade clearly each have an axe to grind and are unable to move forward. Most are not members and now we find there are also the ex-directors who have been kicked out.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves with posts which are just heresay masquerading as the truth, or where the truth has been edited or stretched to suit. At times the posts on here have been vitriolic and downright slanderous. I thought of the phrase pot calling the kettle black when Howard accused Harry of talking drivel and the utter belief of his opinions. Howard, you obviously believe your own opinions as absolute truth. some of us know otherwise but we know it's not worth the effort to respond.

The troubles started because the 5 wouldn't accept majority decisions, ended when the majority voted them out and they still don’t accept it! Instead, they are clearly still pulling on strings and looking for any scraps they can find to try and pull the SOP down. It makes for interesting to reading looking back over the posts of TCN Ploughman, now knowing that he was one of those kicked out.

Personally, I believe the decision made about the succession was probably one of the best made! The present 'incumbent',CEO or whatever you want to call her has proved herself the best 'man' for the job. As Harry said she was catapulted forward when Ken was ill and ensured the 2015 National in Kent was a success and with his continued illness went on to ensure the World match ran smoothly. Not many of you have pointed out what a splendid match it was! Harry is the only one with the guts to admit he was wrong. You don't drag up all the threats you were posting that it would fail, they were losing money, the SOP would go bankrupt, Sue would fail, no-one would want to be members etc...and now they've worked hard, been successful and made a profit you want to discredit them for that too!

Its now time to move on! Stop the bickering and stop hijacking almost every thread by having a 'dig' at every opportunity. We should all be embracing the fact that the SOP has proved itself a success and celebrating the triumph of the World contest in this country.

So draw a line, move on and set out to encourage young people to join and take part in competition ploughing. It's not just up to SOP to encourage young ploughmen, it starts with local societies and you as ploughmen. If you don't, when you are all dead and buried, there won’t be any ploughing matches left as all the youngsters (or even older people) you are discouraging on here through all the negativity may well go find a different hobby instead. That would be a great legacy for you to leave behind.

We have a good Society, run by good people and a great national. I'm not saying it's perfect, nothing ever is, but I for one am very proud to be a member and will continue to support it. So start afresh and use this Forum as a positive tool and promote competition ploughing, your local matches and our national to the world.
I agree that the thread has been hijacked and the original thread was designed to encourage that I feel. I am not sure it was ever answered correctly but if you want to know something you go direct to the horse's mouth, The contact details for the SOP are not difficult to find.
I am afraid that I am of the disposition that I like to go through life treating people with trust , courtesy, honesty and integrity, much in the same way as I would like to be treated. When I am treated otherwise it lives in my memory for a very long time. Nobody from the SOP has ever apologised to me for those things which I knew to be wrong and I know that many others are in the same position. You are obviously one of the favoured few and have a different point of view but don`t criticize others because their experience has been very different.
 

Roy Stokes

Member
Location
East Shropshire
Tern Valley prize money is £40 1st, 25 2nd and 15 3rd, all funded by sponsorship from local companies, one of the reasons the companies are happy to sponsor is where the profit from the 3 mentioned activities ends up, the 3 activities are now quite far removed from agriculture so little promotion is gained from the company's sponsorship money however they still give as "it's for charity"
 

Howard150

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Once again, another thread is hijacked by the ‘We Hate The Society of Ploughmen’ brigade! A simple question was asked – what age do you have to be to join the SOP? A simple answer would be ‘any age are welcome’. I personally would add that it is a great Society to be part of! It organises the British Ploughing Championships each year and put on a splendid World Ploughing Championship in York last year.

But no, off we go with the same old rants.

I don’t post on here simply because anyone with anything positive to say about the SOP is shot down. But I love to read the forum and enjoy the subjects raised and even most of the banter between members and I am sure there are plenty of other people in the same boat as me.

But I cannot sit back any longer without comment. I am sick to death of the despicable accusations being posted! They drag up things time and time again and I hope most who read the posts can see right through them as for reasons known to themselves this small brigade clearly each have an axe to grind and are unable to move forward. Most are not members and now we find there are also the ex-directors who have been kicked out.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves with posts which are just heresay masquerading as the truth, or where the truth has been edited or stretched to suit. At times the posts on here have been vitriolic and downright slanderous. I thought of the phrase pot calling the kettle black when Howard accused Harry of talking drivel and the utter belief of his opinions. Howard, you obviously believe your own opinions as absolute truth. some of us know otherwise but we know it's not worth the effort to respond.

The troubles started because the 5 wouldn't accept majority decisions, ended when the majority voted them out and they still don’t accept it! Instead, they are clearly still pulling on strings and looking for any scraps they can find to try and pull the SOP down. It makes for interesting to reading looking back over the posts of TCN Ploughman, now knowing that he was one of those kicked out.

Personally, I believe the decision made about the succession was probably one of the best made! The present 'incumbent',CEO or whatever you want to call her has proved herself the best 'man' for the job. As Harry said she was catapulted forward when Ken was ill and ensured the 2015 National in Kent was a success and with his continued illness went on to ensure the World match ran smoothly. Not many of you have pointed out what a splendid match it was! Harry is the only one with the guts to admit he was wrong. You don't drag up all the threats you were posting that it would fail, they were losing money, the SOP would go bankrupt, Sue would fail, no-one would want to be members etc...and now they've worked hard, been successful and made a profit you want to discredit them for that too!

Its now time to move on! Stop the bickering and stop hijacking almost every thread by having a 'dig' at every opportunity. We should all be embracing the fact that the SOP has proved itself a success and celebrating the triumph of the World contest in this country.

So draw a line, move on and set out to encourage young people to join and take part in competition ploughing. It's not just up to SOP to encourage young ploughmen, it starts with local societies and you as ploughmen. If you don't, when you are all dead and buried, there won’t be any ploughing matches left as all the youngsters (or even older people) you are discouraging on here through all the negativity may well go find a different hobby instead. That would be a great legacy for you to leave behind.

We have a good Society, run by good people and a great national. I'm not saying it's perfect, nothing ever is, but I for one am very proud to be a member and will continue to support it. So start afresh and use this Forum as a positive tool and promote competition ploughing, your local matches and our national to the world.

We are all entitled to our own opinions however we arrive at them Bob, factually or by hearsay. Coinciding or conflicting with that right is the right of others to attack that view howsoever they see fit.

As you so rightly say then no organisation can be perfect. No organisation is beyond reproach either and I tell you in no uncertain terms, the SOP would be a significantly different organisation were it not for proxy votes and how they have been used / abused over the years. It just takes a little bit more than coincidence when a seemingly innoccuous calling paper can at odd times generate upwards of 250 proxy votes. Nothing contentious and the very same calling paper has the ability to generate 6, 11 or 'don't know how many' proxy votes.

Many of us now feel that we do not need to be members of the SOP to either plough or run our matches.

Please correct me if I am wrong Bob but it's not aeons ago that the Kentish faction were at loggerheads with the SOP, either refusing to hold or being refused the right to hold the National. If I remember correctly then that's why we ended up at Marden, some of us being gifted the most amazing plots, even the added bonus of standing corn (ground too uneven or tramlines too deep to get a 20' header close enough to the ground to cut all the corn) or the odd couple of metres of channel or angle.

Sorry Bob but the greater probability is that you have never been present to see all the goings on at the AGM over the years, how valid complaints have been ignored, rubbished or met with incoherent mumbles.

Each to his own Bob
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Tern Valley prize money is £40 1st, 25 2nd and 15 3rd, all funded by sponsorship from local companies, one of the reasons the companies are happy to sponsor is where the profit from the 3 mentioned activities ends up, the 3 activities are now quite far removed from agriculture so little promotion is gained from the company's sponsorship money however they still give as "it's for charity"
I presume that the sponsors receive a letter of sincere thanks and a true copy of the relevant accounts to show how the money was spent or distributed. Have I spotted a possible difference?
Personally, I believe the decision made about the succession was probably one of the best made! The present 'incumbent',CEO or whatever you want to call her has proved herself the best 'man' for the job. As Harry said she was catapulted forward when Ken was ill and ensured the 2015 National in Kent was a success and with his continued illness went on to ensure the World match ran smoothly
I agree that the succession was forced upon the Society by illness and the only solution was the one taken. The fact that this situation should never have been allowed to happen in the first place illustrates a display of selfish intransigence whereby absolute power was retained by deliberate manipulation. This you cannot deny. If you think it was a good idea to plan for the future good of the SOP by investing total control in an elderly figurehead in failing health I am afraid I have to disagree.
 

Roy Stokes

Member
Location
East Shropshire
I presume that the sponsors receive a letter of sincere thanks and a true copy of the relevant accounts to show how the money was spent or distributed. Have I spotted a possible difference?

I am not a member Bob so cannot answer your presumption, however I do speak to sponsors and am good friends with the main man behind the organisation, sponsors are happy to give knowing that everything goes to charity after costs, the main man and several others, me included at times work extremely hard to make the events happen without expecting financial reward as I expect you and your crew do when running your match
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
I am not a member Bob so cannot answer your presumption, however I do speak to sponsors and am good friends with the main man behind the organisation, sponsors are happy to give knowing that everything goes to charity after costs, the main man and several others, me included at times work extremely hard to make the events happen without expecting financial reward as I expect you and your crew do when running your match
I quite understand but I am sure that it is normal practice to make sponsors feel that they are valued and included as a matter of courtesy and with half an eye on the future.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
What would your stance have been a brace or three years ago John when you were forwarding e mails from the SOP with regard to a qualifier at Dumfries......how it was run, how it was judged and how the result ended up? :D

I have to say, that all of my complaints over the years have been dealt with in a manner that I am satisfied with, they have been brought up at directors meeting and or the executive meeting, either way they have been sorted out,
and it is the SOP that are the only body that set the rules for the national ploughing, where else is there for a member to contact, and really if anyone has any problems, then the SOP head office should be your first port of call,
with all the complaints I have had, they have been as far as I can see, been sorted out in a democratic way,
and as with any/all or none of the my questions to sop, I will go with the majority vote, which is more than Can be said for some,
on a note of the above mentioned club, I have been told that it is now run more professionally, with no complaints, so some good came out of it,

it dose seem to me, that them that is against the SOP, most are none members have in the past had a disagreement with them or some sort or another, and would like to see the demise of the SOP to bring it to an end, if this was the case, we would not have any body or club to run a national final each year,
and out of all them that are against the SOP either on this forum or not, the only thing that is stopping you from starting a bigger and better national club is yourselves, as knocking what we have is not doing the sport any good, along with not encouraging any new entrants to the sport or hobby,
hijacking a thread on how to become a member, really is the pits, and goes to show that your really are scrapping the barrel, along with having absolutely nothing to offer the original poster


edit, I have replied to you Howard, but not all the post is directed at you, and more of a general reply
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
I have to say, that all of my complaints over the years have been dealt with in a manner that I am satisfied with, they have been brought up at directors meeting and or the executive meeting, either way they have been sorted out,
and it is the SOP that are the only body that set the rules for the national ploughing, where else is there for a member to contact, and really if anyone has any problems, then the SOP head office should be your first port of call,
with all the complaints I have had, they have been as far as I can see, been sorted out in a democratic way,
and as with any/all or none of the my questions to sop, I will go with the majority vote, which is more than Can be said for some,
on a note of the above mentioned club, I have been told that it is now run more professionally, with no complaints, so some good came out of it,

it dose seem to me, that them that is against the SOP, most are none members have in the past had a disagreement with them or some sort or another, and would like to see the demise of the SOP to bring it to an end, if this was the case, we would not have any body or club to run a national final each year,
and out of all them that are against the SOP either on this forum or not, the only thing that is stopping you from starting a bigger and better national club is yourselves, as knocking what we have is not doing the sport any good, along with not encouraging any new entrants to the sport or hobby,
hijacking a thread on how to become a member, really is the pits, and goes to show that your really are scrapping the barrel, along with having absolutely nothing to offer the original poster
Sorry John but the original poster was obviously fishing for comments otherwise he would have contacted the SOP for the answer. Their contact details are readily available.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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