How to shift a 23 ton shipping container?

[mogman]

If I was to tackle this job and had a few to do I would make a set of 4 hydraulic rams up which hook into the twist lock corners top and bottom
So a box section that is the same length as the container is high with two hooks that locate in both the top and bottom corner twist locks with another box section that fits inside snuggly which has a ram fitted and with a nice big base plate welded the the base it will only be 6 tonnes of ground pressure not a big job could be made for a few grand even less if you know where to look

 

[wasted years]

If I was to tackle this job and had a few to do I would make a set of 4 hydraulic rams up which hook into the twist lock corners top and bottom
So a box section that is the same length as the container is high with two hooks that locate in both the top and bottom corner twist locks with another box section that fits inside snuggly which has a ram fitted and with a nice big base plate welded the the base it will only be 6 tonnes of ground pressure not a big job could be made for a few grand even less if you know where to look

You are no doubt right but I don't have the time or skills for something like this.
It would need to be right or it would be lethal.

 

[Renaultman]

Thats the otherway, I was just thinking that a local contractor has one of those fonking huge handlers for buckraking, I'll bet it could lift half.
I've got a couple of plant hire people to ring this next week , they may know of something capable nearby without buying something.
The problem with using a crane on the site with maybe 5 engines to lift is that it is going to take some doing in one day, just to get 5 wagons organised isn't just that straightforward.

If you are going that way why not just get 4 hydraulic jacks and just step and block it down.
I get loaded and tipped with a lot of steel with 30t forklifts. One of the sites is hard standing, I am talking 5 or 6' of properly laid aggregate here. It is a continuous job to keep them from sinking. As has been said, when you lift it you get around 60t on the front axle, when you put it down most of the forklifts weight is on the comparatively narrow rear axle. I would take notice of the advice you are being given on here.

 

[Highland Mule]

"All lifting operations involving lifting equipment must be properly planned by a competent person, appropriately supervised and carried out in a safe manner."

http://www.hse.gov.uk/work-equipment-machinery/loler.htm

 

[roscoe erf]

haven't you shifted it yet @wasted years

 

[wasted years]

haven't you shifted it yet @wasted years

Can't decide if I'm competent.
Might be a week or two, got a couple of plant hire men to ring, someone will have a better idea than me I'm sure.

 

[Renaultman]

Can't decide if I'm competent.
Might be a week or two, got a couple of plant hire men to ring, someone will have a better idea than me I'm sure.

Seriously, you could do it with jacks if you can get it in position. That's how we used to tip portacabins before everyone had a hiab.

 

[wasted years]

Seriously, you could do it with jacks if you can get it in position. That's how we used to tip portacabins before everyone had a hiab.

I know that you are right, but with respect the whole point about looking at a forklift is that I haven't got (and don't want to provide) the kind of access that an HGV will need , right onto site.
The point of looking at a Jumbo forklift is that an ordinary flatbed could bring the load, then use the forklift very near to site to transfer to a tractor and plant trailer which would deliver exactly onto site, where the forklift simply lifts up allowing the trailer to pull out, and then sets down.
There would be no need for the forklift to move with the load on its forks, its roll would merely be to lift so even if the wheels sink to the machines belly, although not ideal, it wouldn't be a disaster as long as I got it right first time.

 

[Highland Mule]

Can't decide if I'm competent.
Might be a week or two, got a couple of plant hire men to ring, someone will have a better idea than me I'm sure.

I'd speak to a lifting specialist, rather than a plant hire one. From what you've written, I think you need more than just the input of machinery.

 

[Courier]

Can't decide if I'm competent.

Nowadays you are only competent if you have a certificate to prove it.......

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Nowadays you are only competent if you have a certificate to prove it.......

oh he is certified alright

 

[multi power]

I know that you are right, but with respect the whole point about looking at a forklift is that I haven't got (and don't want to provide) the kind of access that an HGV will need , right onto site.
The point of looking at a Jumbo forklift is that an ordinary flatbed could bring the load, then use the forklift very near to site to transfer to a tractor and plant trailer which would deliver exactly onto site, where the forklift simply lifts up allowing the trailer to pull out, and then sets down.
There would be no need for the forklift to move with the load on its forks, its roll would merely be to lift so even if the wheels sink to the machines belly, although not ideal, it wouldn't be a disaster as long as I got it right first time.

If you get the right HGV driver he will reverse right to where you want it no problems, no need to double handle it

 

[wasted years]

If you get the right HGV driver he will reverse right to where you want it no problems, no need to double handle it

And therin lies the rub or part of it.
Once you get a wagon in wrong it is hard to rectify, I don't want to damage someones method of earning a living by pulling it out with a tractor, and also I think it will take a fair old stoned area to get to where I need it to be safely etc.
The jack idea is a non starter on safety grounds, at least if a forklift bellies, it ain't going no where.

 

[multi power]

And therin lies the rub or part of it.
Once you get a wagon in wrong it is hard to rectify, I don't want to damage someones method of earning a living by pulling it out with a tractor, and also I think it will take a fair old stoned area to get to where I need it to be safely etc.
The jack idea is a non starter on safety grounds, at least if a forklift bellies, it ain't going no where.

One chance to reverse in and that's it
No second chance

 

[mogman]

[QUOTE="wasted years, post: 4523078, member: 38150]
at least if a forklift bellies, it ain't going no where.[/QUOTE]
Now there’s a fact, have you tried to un bog a fork lift that is big enough to lift 23 tonnes, going to weigh about 30 ton....... now that is a bigger job than the genny box

 

[Will 1594]

5 loadalls each side, all lift together and reverse trailer under, simple

I was just thinking of that @wasted years can you not build a sledge out of piling post fasten it to container with its twist locks then sledge it to where you want and leave it on its ready made base

 

[grainboy]

10 way lift,
Your all barking mad,
Bite the bullit, do it professionally.
23 ton lifted improperly will end in tears, and litigation.

 

[wasted years]

I've found a good source of stone at £4.50 a ton ex transport about 7 or 8 miles from site, I think on balance it is going to be best to widen the track I have dug already and make it suitable for the Hiab man to back onto site and deliver to where the machine needs to be.
I don't want to pay £1300 a day for a crane, if I make the site accessible to a truck it can always come back onto site to pick the machine up if it needs spannners or gets replaced,

 

[Nearly]

I was just thinking of that @wasted years can you not build a sledge out of piling post fasten it to container with its twist locks then sledge it to where you want and leave it on its ready made base

He'll be passing in a few weeks.

 

[S J H]

I've found a good source of stone at £4.50 a ton ex transport about 7 or 8 miles from site, I think on balance it is going to be best to widen the track I have dug already and make it suitable for the Hiab man to back onto site and deliver to where the machine needs to be.
I don't want to pay £1300 a day for a crane, if I make the site accessible to a truck it can always come back onto site to pick the machine up if it needs spannners or gets replaced,

Will a hiab lift 23tonne?