How to stop the unstoppable?

[Grassman]

Let them have another referendum.
If they win what then?
It's up to Scotland to come up with the goods as to how they will finance and administer it. It will be very, very complex.

 

[Grassman]

Also if they have another referendum and fail do they go for a third in a few years?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Why would you love to see a nation being punished for the way some of it's people vote?
That's like people saying they'd love to see the UK in trouble for leaving the EU.

To me it's just bitterness against democracy.

Yeah right .. pull the other one.

SNP Scotland wouldn't know democracy if it fell on them. In the face of Brexit they just wanted to totally avoid democracy.

Fix your own sh@t before throwing.

You know what the SNP deserve is another referendum in the UK on devolution. If the whole of the UK vote for it remove all the devolved parliaments .. I bet you'd not stand a chance. People outside of Scotland are totally sick to death of the SNP BS.

 

[bobk]

Yeah right .. pull the other one.

SNP Scotland wouldn't know democracy if it fell on them. In the face of Brexit they just wanted to totally avoid democracy.

Fix your own sh@t before throwing.

You know what the SNP deserve is another referendum in the UK on devolution. If the whole of the UK vote for it remove all the devolved parliaments .. I bet you'd not stand a chance. People outside of Scotland are totally sick to death of the SNP BS.

Just copied this post off another forum , it's hilarious



Craig Ral Ton
, lived in Scotland (1977-2015)
Answered 2 years ago · Author has 142 answers and 110.6K answer views

a mere fraction of what it robs from Scotland. Scotland is the 6th richest country as far as GDP per capita despite being economically stifled by England under the guise of the OK by many many factors such as the fact Scotlands oil and Whiskey trades contribute more to Englands GDP than to Scotland and oil providing far more extraction, refinery and corp jobs than it does for Scotland since we are do not have the independence to control our own resources; yet despite fhe high GDP we are quite poor and have approx 200k children living in poverty.
We have more oil than Norway and have extracted more while having far more industries like Video gaming, DNA research and Equal level of tourism…..yet Norway has $1Trillion surplus fund while, due to the burden of England, we have a share of their £2Trillion greed based debt.
The clearly obvious truth is that Scotland is Englands cash cow, a parasitic host to and overpopulated former power with delusions of grandeure.

 

[M-J-G]

No, it's just we are fed up of the Anti-English rhetoric spouted by Scottish politicians. Stay or go, I think the bulk of us are past caring. Plenty of us in other regions of the UK have the same gripe regarding how Westminster doesn't recognise us or do anything for our communities. But we realise that London is where the money is made. It ends there and we are relatively happy with our lot.

I don't hear much anit English speak from politicians, it's more anti Union and anti being under the control of Westminster, but not anti English.
But it's only some of the politicians, not all of them.

 

[M-J-G]

Yeah right .. pull the other one.

SNP Scotland wouldn't know democracy if it fell on them. In the face of Brexit they just wanted to totally avoid democracy.

Fix your own sh@t before throwing.

You know what the SNP deserve is another referendum in the UK on devolution. If the whole of the UK vote for it remove all the devolved parliaments .. I bet you'd not stand a chance. People outside of Scotland are totally sick to death of the SNP BS.

Firstly I'm not Scottish, secondly I didn't mention the SNP., I merely asked why someone would wish for a country to fall on it's face because of how some of it's population voted.
It's no different to someone wishing the UK would fall on it's arse after Brexit, or wishing the US would fail since Biden has been voted in.
It's just pointless bitterness.

 

[Goweresque]

England fought for it for long enough and killed enough young boys over it in the past, so I guess it wants to keep it - crushed and under the thumb, which is more than the romans managed

The SNP are missing a trick, instead of demanding a vote in Scotland for independence they should be demanding a vote in England to dissolve the Union. They'd win that one by so much it would be embarrassing. Everyone south of the border is fed up with Scotland's constant moaning and wishes they'd just p*ss off already. We're fed up with being blamed for everything and yet expected to constantly open our wallets all the time as well. Give the English a vote and Scotland would be independent tomorrow.

 

[M-J-G]

The SNP are missing a trick, instead of demanding a vote in Scotland for independence they should be demanding a vote in England to dissolve the Union. They'd win that one by so much it would be embarrassing. Everyone south of the border is fed up with Scotland's constant moaning and wishes they'd just p*ss off already. We're fed up with being blamed for everything and yet expected to constantly open our wallets all the time as well. Give the English a vote and Scotland would be independent tomorrow.

Your post suggests that all Scots are moaning and that it's all about Scotland being against England, which it's not, it's about the union.
To say it's about England is like saying that England is the union, which of course it isn't it's just part of it.

I do agree that if they want independence, your idea would work!
At the end of it all, does it really matter?
I'm certainly not bothered and I live in Scotland.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Firstly I'm not Scottish, secondly I didn't mention the SNP., I merely asked why someone would wish for a country to fall on it's face because of how some of it's population voted.
It's no different to someone wishing the UK would fall on it's arse after Brexit, or wishing the US would fail since Biden has been voted in.
It's just pointless bitterness.

You are correct in what you say but it doesn't alter the facts of what has happened .. in the mind of the SNP democracy exists only for the SNP opinion. Outside of that democracy should be ignored because it doesn't fit the agenda.

It isn't pointless bitterness otherwise those people wouldn't have benefitted .. and they did.

The SNP gets votes directly by disrespecting English politics .. based on nothing more than hatred. This kind of political hatred came from militant Left wing politics and is now being picked up by everyone - because it works as a propaganda device.

The current game is do or die, the limits on confrontation keep escalating. I wouldn't be surprised to see militia begin to appear, in fact I would say it's already happened.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The SNP are missing a trick, instead of demanding a vote in Scotland for independence they should be demanding a vote in England to dissolve the Union. They'd win that one by so much it would be embarrassing. Everyone south of the border is fed up with Scotland's constant moaning and wishes they'd just p*ss off already. We're fed up with being blamed for everything and yet expected to constantly open our wallets all the time as well. Give the English a vote and Scotland would be independent tomorrow.

I agree.

Concering the reputation of Scotland in ENgland the SNP has literally and totally destroyed any good will towards Scotland.

I really would like to see a Uk wide referrendum on Devolution, Ian Blackford and many others more than deserve it. Let's see these muppets stand up and account for themselves to the rest of the UK who have had to sit there and take their sh@t for years.

 

[Goweresque]

To say it's about England is like saying that England is the union, which of course it isn't it's just part of it.

A union requires two partners to be committed to it to continue. It doesn't matter which side of the border wants to end the Union, it only takes one partner to call time, and its done, just like a marriage. You can't force someone to stay married to you, or live with you, and Scotland couldn't demand that England stay in the Union if England wanted to leave it any more than England could force Scotland to stay if it had voted to leave.

 

[Farm buy]

Why would you love to see a nation being punished for the way some of it's people vote?
That's like people saying they'd love to see the UK in trouble for leaving the EU.

To me it's just bitterness against democracy.

Do people not know that you never really benifit if your neighbours are doing badly.I do hope that Brexit really have no negative affect on all our incomes. And if it does that it only last for a year or two as waiting for JRM timescale is going to be a little late for me

 

[wanton dwarf]

Do people not know that you never really benifit if your neighbours are doing badly.I do hope that Brexit really have no negative affect on all our incomes. And if it does that it only last for a year or two as waiting for JRM timescale is going to be a little late for me

Remoaner argument to nullify democracy .. when Scotland facilitated each and every Labour government did we all turn on Scotland and blame them for bankrupting the UK ? Still as regards stopping Labour the SNP does something good.

 

[M-J-G]

I agree.

Concering the reputation of Scotland in ENgland the SNP has literally and totally destroyed any good will towards Scotland.

I really would like to see a Uk wide referrendum on Devolution, Ian Blackford and many others more than deserve it. Let's see these muppets stand up and account for themselves to the rest of the UK who have had to sit there and take their sh@t for years.

Individuals may deserve whatever ill will you wish on them, but that doesn't mean that the Scottish people deserve what you wish on Blackford and co.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Individuals may deserve whatever ill will you wish on them, but that doesn't mean that the Scottish people deserve what you wish on Blackford and co.

I didn't mention a generic castigation of "The Scottish People". I have some Scottish friends who state the SNP are racists. So I already know quite clearly how the land lies. Try another angle.

 

[M-J-G]

I didn't mention a generic castigation of "The Scottish People". I have some Scottish friends who state the SNP are racists. So I already know quite clearly how the land lies. Try another angle.

So you wish for Scotland to be successful be that in or out of the Union?

 

[wanton dwarf]

So you wish for Scotland to be successful be that in or out of the Union?

Seriously, what has Scotland got to do with me ? It's up to those that live in Scotland to make it successful or not.

But I dislike the SNP immensely.

 

[M-J-G]

A union requires two partners to be committed to it to continue. It doesn't matter which side of the border wants to end the Union, it only takes one partner to call time, and its done, just like a marriage. You can't force someone to stay married to you, or live with you, and Scotland couldn't demand that England stay in the Union if England wanted to leave it any more than England could force Scotland to stay if it had voted to leave.

My point was that there are currently 4 members of the union.

 

[wanton dwarf]

My point was that there are currently 4 members of the union.

That is not how the SNP work. They work as if there is only 1 member and that is Scotland.

 

[M-J-G]

That is not how the SNP work. They work as if there is only 1 member and that is Scotland.

So what, I fail to see why that is of any real significance.