No one locally has tried recently but I have seen it done in the past and I was impressed with how it looked. Both ww and spring barley. Slightly at a tangent has anyone ever broadcast and harrowed in beans? I tried a tramline on the frost a few days ago and wasn’t particularly happy. Using a lemken terradisc type machine as ground too hard for KKK. My worries v ww are that they won’t get buried deep enough for agronomic reasons and that they will get caught by the pre-em which is the only legal herbicide option.
How well does the spun on wheat look? Are fert spreaders accurate enough?
- Thread starter spikeislander
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- Location
- Yorks
What about rooks and pigeons?
I'm thinking they'll get any seeds on top, but maybe an advantage for rest of seed that got burried.
Rooks go along the seams, but with no seams to follow with broadcasting should be better?
I'm thinking they'll get any seeds on top, but maybe an advantage for rest of seed that got burried.
Rooks go along the seams, but with no seams to follow with broadcasting should be better?
- Location
- east anglia
I have broadcast and cultivated this season and it looks very good. We used the Kv tineseeder twice around the headlands to tidy it up. Spread with a Bredal F10 ,tested at 36m it was inaccurate, tried at 18m and wouldn't with the discs we had so settled at 24m and tray tested well. Cultivated with a 12m Farmet Fantom which was brilliant but needed power and weight. It has raised questions, How deep do you need to go? Is it best with a large machine at 12m or smaller tractors at 6m. I think it has more of a future even if only as insurance. Anthony
GeorgeK
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- Location
- Leicestershire
I ploughed and power harrowed mine and some awkward headland bits only got power harrowed at about 4". Came up fine, weren't affected by pre em despite a lot of rain. Crows were a problem on the power harrowed bits because once they realise they can pull the shallow ones out they clear the whole area even if the deeper ones just break off. My neighbour's volunteer beans were untouched by glyphosphsate and pre em in a wheat crop
I’ve often thought flufenacet wouldn’t be a problem used as a bean pre em. I normally plough beans in just wondering if I could quickly cultivate them in on a frost....
GeorgeK
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- Location
- Leicestershire
I think a cultivator that moves all the soil reliably down to 6", ideally with lots of narrow tines so it doesn't leave the beans too stripy would be the ideal choice. Watching the neighbours, they cultivated after combining their beans with a Vaderstad Carrier, probably only 2-4", the volunteers came up a treat. Predictably, crows weren't interested in pulling them up! Important to minimise or avoid driving on any areas that have been cultivated because they don't like compaction. Maybe put a higher seed rate on the headlands because, again, they don't like compaction. The only thing stopping me is our large crow population, I'd end up with bare patches if they weren't good and deep
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
May I suggest that the example of volunteer beans emerging from such a depth without interest or both from crows is possibly also due to time of year. I assume this cultivaation with Vaderstad carroer tok place back in September. Would crows be actively seeking emerging beans in October. I haven't particularly noticed crows having a go at volunteer beans. Cheers.
That is definitely no-till!
Or though I imagine you must have cultivated after to bury the seed?`
It was subsoiled first, then cultivated and harrowed after. The land owner on this farm likes his cultivating, hopefully the rest of our crops prove a point! If I hadn’t subsoiled and bought up blackgrass it would have been drilled nice and early ultra low disturbance!
You need a low disturbance subsoiler.
It’s fairly low disturbance but still brings enough up to cause trouble, don’t think it actually warranted subsoiling to be honestYou need a low disturbance subsoiler.
Yes, more than most. It was for a customer who likes regular deep cultivation’s, I will leave it at that.
Mark C
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
Some folks not far from here spun on several hundred acres last year and tined it in with a Vaddy NZ going at speed to 'boil' the soil and get some air into it. Did better than smeared in TS drilled stuff by all accounts
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
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Feldspar
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- Location
- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
We bought an old 6m Vaderstad Cultus in a hurry mid October. Thought I'd messed up getting something with too heavy tines (wanted to use it normally as a cultivator too), but it actually mixed the soil and seed nicely. 300-330kg/ha though. Amazone fert spreader at 18m. Got 250ac we wouldn't have done otherwise and it looks actually not too bad. 12kph with the cultivator and no stopping to fill up / unblock coulters gave a good output. Trailed implement meant 8 psi in the tyres, which was much lighter treading than any other outfit we had. Filled a trailer of seed out the barn, tipped into telehandler bucket and into the fert spreader. I took the advice of many to start doing it early rather than as a fire engine job.
Decided not to put the pre-em on until it came up (and it was well up because of rain delays) which has left more black-grass than I'd like. I know a number of people who put the pre-em on straight away even with seed on the surface saying it was more important to get the black-grass. Having been burnt last year with wheat damage, I held off.
Did some barley as well which I think is OK. Both pictures taken 2 November.
Decided not to put the pre-em on until it came up (and it was well up because of rain delays) which has left more black-grass than I'd like. I know a number of people who put the pre-em on straight away even with seed on the surface saying it was more important to get the black-grass. Having been burnt last year with wheat damage, I held off.
Did some barley as well which I think is OK. Both pictures taken 2 November.
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
I use a Horsch Terrano, about as heavy a spring tine as you can get. Seems to work.
Feldspar
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- Location
- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Do you think that I could use this Cultus as a spring tine harrow before ordinary spring drilling (if I just run it shallower)?
Yes.