How would you like to buy timber fencing that is not full of chemicals & will last 50+ years

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
I’ve just hung a new galvanised gate on concrete posts , and took delivery of 25 box barriers for strainers and soon to be putting up some clipex , I’m done with wood fencing it’s not up to the job no more and commercial forestry is a threat to my livelihood so I’m buggerd if I’m supporting that lot by buying wood.

Obviously I'm well aware of the friction...but i'll ask anyway.
Tell us, why is commercial forestry a threat to your livelihood?

Unless you're a tenant being squeezed out, or inundated with competition for land from those who have been.
Or it could be more insidious, with the damage to critical mass within farming?

The flipside is that we could embrace it, and work it into the livestock sector.
We're the odd ones out in europe for this deep division.
I'm quite at eases growing trees instead of (quite as many) yows....it's been a long time since they could do much more than break even, and the trees seldom stray far.
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
I’ve just hung a new galvanised gate on concrete posts , and took delivery of 25 box barriers for strainers and soon to be putting up some clipex , I’m done with wood fencing it’s not up to the job no more and commercial forestry is a threat to my livelihood so I’m buggerd if I’m supporting that lot by buying wood.
My uncle say the box barriers make good gate posts too, easily carrying big heavy gates. I've yet to try it, but have some here ready to go in.
 

Farmer Roy

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NSW, Newstralya
These ( untreated ) Iron Bark ( a eucalyptus hard wood ) posts have been here since 1955, which was a big flood that took out all the previous fences.
this is on a floodplain, & in my time would have seen at least 10 floods where the whole plain had gone underwater, as well as numerous long term wet periods
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Farmer Roy

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I’ve just hung a new galvanised gate on concrete posts , and took delivery of 25 box barriers for strainers and soon to be putting up some clipex , I’m done with wood fencing it’s not up to the job no more and commercial forestry is a threat to my livelihood so I’m buggerd if I’m supporting that lot by buying wood.

gal steel is the ONLY way to go for fencing. I’m surprised more of your country folk haven’t woken up to that fact yet . . .

I look at the wooden fencing I see on TFF & think it is just a joke . . .
if a permanent fence doesn’t last at least 50 years ( which is what is work in at least here ) then it’s just a waste of time & money . . .
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
gal steel is the ONLY way to go for fencing. I’m surprised more of your country folk haven’t woken up to that fact yet . . .

I look at the wooden fencing I see on TFF & think it is just a joke . . .
if a permanent fence doesn’t last at least 50 years ( which is what is work in at least here ) then it’s just a waste of time & money . . .

yeah yeah yeah. I look at some farming practises in other countries and think they're worse than a joke.

Never mind the enviro implications of using steel over timber.........
Adequately treated - or naturally durable - stakes will outlast the galv netting and wire here as a rule.

Perhaps you're not used to climates which eat steel- and wood.
I recall there still being (almost) viable remnants of a 'rabbit' (or possibly 'dog') fence in Oz when I was there in the 80's, which would've been 50 years+ old then.
Here a fence over 30-35 is remarkable.
90-100" of rain here, falling over most months of the year.

Plus some of us grow/process the raw material, while there's scant iron ore locally.
I use recycled barriers quite happily, but am equally quite happy with timber posts where appropriate.
 

Farmer Roy

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yeah yeah yeah. I look at some farming practises in other countries and think they're worse than a joke.

Never mind the enviro implications of using steel over timber.........
Adequately treated - or naturally durable - stakes will outlast the galv netting and wire here as a rule.

Perhaps you're not used to climates which eat steel- and wood.
I recall there still being (almost) viable remnants of a 'rabbit' (or possibly 'dog') fence in Oz when I was there in the 80's, which would've been 50 years+ old then.
Here a fence over 30-35 is remarkable.
90-100" of rain here, falling over most months of the year.

Plus some of us grow/process the raw material, while there's scant iron ore locally.
I use recycled barriers quite happily, but am equally quite happy with timber posts where appropriate.
“Treated” timber . . .
What sort of life destroying planet taping chemicals are used in that ?

fûckwit
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
“Treated” timber . . .
What sort of life destroying planet taping chemicals are used in that ?

fûckwit

minerals naturally found in the ground, halfwit.

I like it! An Australian telling me about life destroying planet 'taping'(?)
My family have been farming the same landscape since long before Australia was bothered by Europeans, and the landscape isn't much changed since.
Some of our tribe went to Oz, and BOY! did they ever change that landscape.
If you want to talk about planet destroying....


As it happens, there's a lot of copper and arsenic in the ground locally, I couldn't tell you where the chromium was coming from, and the creosote being used now would be coming from a coal mine somewhere wouldn't it? Might be one of yours!
 
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Post Driver

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South East
Creosote is the only preservative for a genuine long life posts.

The phrase coming to the fore now, seems to be, "copper tolerant fungi" :mad:

These naturally durable woods are ok, but I'm not sure how suited they are to a modern High Tensile fence, particularly for straining assemblies

Edit - I mean the naturally durable posts in the UK/Europe. No experience of Eucalyptus
 

Northern territory

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Livestock Farmer
What is the ball park price on creosoted then and do they use the same timber as non or is it better. Surely there should be some sort of quality control on this rubbish stuff.
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
“Treated” timber . . .
What sort of life destroying planet taping chemicals are used in that ?

fûckwit
minerals naturally found in the ground, halfwit.

I like it! An Australian telling me about life destroying planet 'taping'(?)
My family have been farming the same landscape since long before Australia was bothered by Europeans, and the landscape isn't much changed since.
Some of our tribe went to Oz, and BOY! did they ever change that landscape.
If you want to talk about planet destroying....


As it happens, there's a lot of arsenic in the ground locally, I couldn't tell you where the chromium was coming from, and the creosote being used now would be coming from a coal mine somewhere wouldn't it? Might be one of yours!

Now now children, it seems to me you're both passionate about our environment - cant we discuss the options without turning to insults??
 

Smith31

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After putting a thread on here several weeks ago regarding the 5 year lifespan of new timber fencing, I quickly realised Clipex is the way forward. Clipex, will last several decades and is 100% recyclable.

Anyone using timber, (unless they have their own home grown or free timber) needs to buy a new calculator and value their time more.
 

Hilly

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After putting a thread on here several weeks ago regarding the 5 year lifespan of new timber fencing, I quickly realised Clipex is the way forward. Clipex, will last several decades and is 100% recyclable.

Anyone using timber, (unless they have their own home grown or free timber) needs to buy a new calculator and value their time more.
I think their is a british make as well Hampton or something ? I might try that as neighbour got clipex make a nice comparison and i like to support british if I can .
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
I think their is a british make as well Hampton or something ? I might try that as neighbour got clipex make a nice comparison and i like to support british if I can .
Is the Hampton (?) galvanised to the same standard as clipex? Clipex is said to be galvanised to double the British Standard.
 

Smith31

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I think their is a british make as well Hampton or something ? I might try that as neighbour got clipex make a nice comparison and i like to support british if I can .

Give us an update on here once it's all in please, a comparison would be good.

When we were looking most had experience with Clipex, so went for the tried and trusted and best reviewed.
 

PuG

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Ok, sounds good. But how much are these acacia posts? And how will the warranty be underwritten?

We bought in 150 over Christmas, 1 euro 58 + tva. 1.6meter. Split not cut, they last donkeys years, very hard. Allot of the ones on the farm been pulling out and re using when refreshing the fences which are getting on thirty years. Oak gets eaten away here.
 

lloyd

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Herefordshire
We bought in 150 over Christmas, 1 euro 58 + tva. 1.6meter. Split not cut, they last donkeys years, very hard. Allot of the ones on the farm been pulling out and re using when refreshing the fences which are getting on thirty years. Oak gets eaten away here.

Got any photos? :)
 

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