PuG
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- Location
- Languedoc-Roussillon
Got any photos?
Pulled these out yesterday, trimmed couple of inches from the top and now back in the ground as of two hours ago.
How would you like to buy timber fencing that is not full of chemicals & will last 50+ years
- Thread starter Fencemaster
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Pulled these out yesterday, trimmed couple of inches from the top and now back in the ground as of two hours ago.
Loftyrules
Member
- Location
- Monmouth
How good are chesnut stakes compared to creosote posts?
Durability wise... (IE how long to rot)
The (pressure treated) creosote will likely have it in many situations.
SC has a certain amount of variability (or a lot according to some), and the site will make a big difference. Good SC with no sapwood, no brown rot present, good tannin content, seasoned prior to use, on a dry lying site.....you'd be well into decades of service.
User friendliness....
creo is stinky stuff, spattering you when you're striking it- unless left to dry for a few months- but peeled stakes from decent thinnings are a pretty even product.
Cleft chestnut will be a bit wonky, and sawn will be a bugger to keep straight when driven thru anything boney.
that said, well done cleft looks handsome, and a regular sawn batch can look very regular and neat.
Timbersupplier
Member
They are in Boston Lincs the Mid East coast one you mentioned
I am a fencing contractor and timber stockist based in Somerset. I have used chestnut for years and it is becoming difficult to find in plentiful supply. Earlier in this thread/ conversation someone mentioned Acacia fence posts.
Over the last 18 months i have started to import Acacia posts. I have used it myself on several contracts in place of chestnut. As a company we have been very impressed by it. All our research points towards it being one of the most durable timbers avaliable. It is harder and more dense than Iroko. Its widely used on the continent and acheiving a service life of over 30 years.
If anyone would like to speak with me about it i am very happy to do so.
[email protected]
07817 433704
Over the last 18 months i have started to import Acacia posts. I have used it myself on several contracts in place of chestnut. As a company we have been very impressed by it. All our research points towards it being one of the most durable timbers avaliable. It is harder and more dense than Iroko. Its widely used on the continent and acheiving a service life of over 30 years.
If anyone would like to speak with me about it i am very happy to do so.
[email protected]
07817 433704
Christoph1945
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- Location
- Widnes West Cheshire
Have you, perhaps, gotten around to producing a demonstration video that all can watch before expressing their interest?
I can post photos of posts if you want?
Christoph1945
Member
- Location
- Widnes West Cheshire
Sadly, or should I say unfortunately, I'm not a farmer and have no use for fence posting but I can, of course, see the need for longer lasting fence posts in the agricultural industry and even further afield; if you would pardon the pun.
Pictures, of course, will probably help but even some home video may get you some of the responses that you are hoping for from the members on here.
But me, I know nuffink!
Robinia pseudoacacia?
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
Not need? I am not able to buy timber that is treated with Copper, Arsenic or Chrome. I would love to be able to, to be honest!
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
But, I was shown a piece of structural timber that was removed when Cardigan Castle was being renovated. Looked great from the outside, however they discovered that inside there was nothing there!
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
This fence line was put up after the 1955 floods, the wooden posts outlasted the wire fence. This post ( & all the others until I cleared the fence line a few years ago ) has seen numerous floods & droughts in the last nearly 70 years.
Termites & white ants are a huge issue here ( dunno if anyone saw my posts on “my” thread about how they ate through the bottom of a shipping container & completely destroyed about 30 cardboard packing boxes full of my lifetime collection of books ? First thing you do here when looking at buying a house is to get a termite inspection etc etc ), but these posts are completely untreated.
Eucalyptus “Iron Bark”, the same timber they made ( untreated ) railway sleepers out of before they went to concrete ones.
Even though the actual fence stopped being serviceable maybe 20 years ago, the wooden posts were still ok.
This is on a floodplain, with very deep, heavy alluvial clay soils, so even though it was during a severe drought that I pulled these posts out, there was still moist soil around them at depth. During their lifetime, they would have probably stood in water for weeks or even months at a time maybe 7 or 10 times, during flood events. The soil around them at depth would have ALWAYS been moist. The “Waratah” steel star pickets had lost all of the black pitch coating, but most of them were still quite serviceable as well.
Termites & white ants are a huge issue here ( dunno if anyone saw my posts on “my” thread about how they ate through the bottom of a shipping container & completely destroyed about 30 cardboard packing boxes full of my lifetime collection of books ? First thing you do here when looking at buying a house is to get a termite inspection etc etc ), but these posts are completely untreated.
Eucalyptus “Iron Bark”, the same timber they made ( untreated ) railway sleepers out of before they went to concrete ones.
Even though the actual fence stopped being serviceable maybe 20 years ago, the wooden posts were still ok.
This is on a floodplain, with very deep, heavy alluvial clay soils, so even though it was during a severe drought that I pulled these posts out, there was still moist soil around them at depth. During their lifetime, they would have probably stood in water for weeks or even months at a time maybe 7 or 10 times, during flood events. The soil around them at depth would have ALWAYS been moist. The “Waratah” steel star pickets had lost all of the black pitch coating, but most of them were still quite serviceable as well.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
PS - fencing is a major financial & time investment. Apart from temporary electric fencing, no one here would seriously consider any materials that DID’NT have at least a 50 year lifespan . . .
You certainly don’t want to be replacing fences more than once a generation
You certainly don’t want to be replacing fences more than once a generation
Christoph1945
Member
- Location
- Widnes West Cheshire
Sorry to hear about the loss of the books; what sort of reading material were the termites into?
With all the international bright sparks on TFF, do you suppose that we could come up with some really good ideas for longer lasting fence posts? Oh, and cost effective as well?
Silly questions to get the ball rolling! Why do you need fence posts? Why do you need fences anyway? What alternatives could do the work of a fence?
With all the international bright sparks on TFF, do you suppose that we could come up with some really good ideas for longer lasting fence posts? Oh, and cost effective as well?
Silly questions to get the ball rolling! Why do you need fence posts? Why do you need fences anyway? What alternatives could do the work of a fence?
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
If we can get rid of the trailer test (which I believe was due to a EU rule), why can't we bring back CCA treatment (which was also banned due to an EU rule)?
Christoph1945
Member
- Location
- Widnes West Cheshire
Would that be a good thing, or would it be like bringing back lead based paints? Was anyone ever poisoned by CCA treated fence posts, or was the banning totally down to environmental factors?
What ever happened to creosote? I suppose that creosote went the same way as CCA!
- Location
- North Wales
We've still got creosote to use in industrial uses, like agriculture, but it's not the nicest stuff for the installer to use.Would that be a good thing, or would it be like bringing back lead based paints? Was anyone ever poisoned by CCA treated fence posts, or was the banning totally down to environmental factors?
What ever happened to creosote? I suppose that creosote went the same way as CCA!
CCA was banned on account of some very sketchy data in a couple of spurious scientific papers, one of which has since been withdrawn.
But it suited the EU and chemical treatment companies.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
also what is the environmental costs of cutting trees, treating the post, putting up the fence, then five years later, do it all again. I would re use the wire, but does everyone? One of the biggest emitters of green house gasses is steel production.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
Still get it, just more expensive!Would that be a good thing, or would it be like bringing back lead based paints? Was anyone ever poisoned by CCA treated fence posts, or was the banning totally down to environmental factors?
What ever happened to creosote? I suppose that creosote went the same way as CCA!
- Location
- South Wales UK
Untalized and still standing here 60 plus years .