How would you like to buy timber fencing that is not full of chemicals & will last 50+ years

[Willie adie]

I would like to do bad things to zoe ball. Anita Rani. And judith ralston .
Its as likely as your 50 yr warranty

 

[renewablejohn]

Could understand it if it was torrefied wood but I have not heard of a production facility yet in the uk.

 

[czechmate]

Acacia maybe?

 

[Hilly]

You do not need to buy fencing that is treated with Copper, Arsenic, and other harmful chemicals! I can supply you with Agricultural timber fencing with NO chemical treatments . I will guarantee it for 50 years with no if's or but's.
Brian Griffiths
Suffolk

Tell us more please.

 

[renewablejohn]

An example of torrefied wood they mention a guarantee of 60 years but have not heard of it used for fencing posts.

http://www.silvatimber.co.uk/media/pdfs/silva-leaflets/thor-torrefied-wood-cladding.pdf

 

[S J H]

An example of torrefied wood they mention a guarantee of 60 years but have not heard of it used for fencing posts.

http://www.silvatimber.co.uk/media/pdfs/silva-leaflets/thor-torrefied-wood-cladding.pdf

That looks similar to thermowood, we used it on a job on site.

It was very brittle. I can imagine it being any good for stakes.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Why not just use Clipex?

 

[bobk]

@llamedos @Clive , should someone be able to make their first post which is a thread in Agricultural Matters ?

 

[llamedos]

@llamedos @Clive , should someone be able to make their first post which is a thread in Agricultural Matters ?

Yes. No reason why not.

 

[Wooly]

This is one reason I have felt the Nfu haven't looked after farmers interests. Some of these timber firms have been fraudulently selling their products as treated to the correct standard when clearly they weren't. You can't get tanalising fluid in a freshly cut, undried fence post.

Fairly harsh to blame the NFU on this one.........unless you purchased Red Tractor assured posts !

 

[yellowbelly]

Just read through this thread 'cos I'm about to order some stakes but it doesn't look like they'll be coming from @Fencemaster unless he comes back out of the woodwork and posts some details

 

[wr.]

I see the OP is tuned in to the forum at the moment and I bet he's thinking that we're a very offish bunch - but when we've bought fence posts over the last 12ish years and watched them rot off, I hope he'll understand our scepticism. I've now got some of the 15 year guaranteed ones rotting off after 6 years and we all know the guarantee isn't worth the paper it wasn't written on.

 

[ladycrofter]

Black-market teak?

@Grassman And I agree about the NFU, just the forum members alone represent £1000's in rotten posts + labour. IMO it definitely is a farming issue.

 

[winkhound]

brown concrete?

 

[renewablejohn]

That looks similar to thermowood, we used it on a job on site.

It was very brittle. I can imagine it being any good for stakes.

That would be my thought as well although you could insert with a post hole borer rather than a post knocker. If it lasts 20 years rather than 5 years it might be worth it.

 

[Happy]

Replaced some posts that were 45+years old this past winter.
Untreated European larch according to father so if there is anywhere you can still source slow grown European larch rather than the fast growing Japanese larch and pine rubbish you usually get then it's maybe not as mad a questions as it first seems.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

I remember in 70's, 80's an importer selling wood posts from Australia and you could have an electric fence without insulators. They said it was so hard you had to use diamond tip tools on them. I believe they were either Jarra or Karri.
The local ng railway used them as sleepers before turning to metal.

 

[S J H]

Replaced some posts that were 45+years old this past winter.
Untreated European larch according to father so if there is anywhere you can still source slow grown European larch rather than the fast growing Japanese larch and pine rubbish you usually get then it's maybe not as mad a questions as it first seems.

I expect it's larch or winter cut chestnut, I don't think European oak will last that long.

 

[Fencemaster]

That looks similar to thermowood, we used it on a job on site.

It was very brittle. I can imagine it being any good for stakes.

Tell us more please.

It is not the treatment it is the timber! The main 2 species used in the UK are Spruce (from home grown mills and imported ) & Pine. You can leave Spruce in the tank under pressure until you retire, you will not get more than
2 mm of penetration! Pine is a another matter, If you kiln dry Pine to 28% M/C and then treat to full retention you will get full sapwood retention. Most UC4 suppliers will stamp the post with the treatment date.and issue the guaranty from that date.
Next time you are out walking take a look at the stakes! see if they have the date stamped on the top, UC4 has been available for 15 years see if any of the posts are stamped 2002! what does that tell you! Then ask your colleagues if they have successfully claimed when poles have failed in the allotted time!
Acacia is a timber that does not need ANY treatment, you can, if you wish wash it in a treatment tank to turn it green for colour preference! however, it is not needed.
Check out Acacia on the web for yourselves!
Your problem is where can you buy it. No UK merchant is likely to shoot himself in the foot by offering you a cheaper product. 100% of UK merchants buy from UK importers who buy from Eastern European mills.
Home grown mills offer poles that have been scarified to let the treatment into the post, If you believe that will work GOOD LUCK!
I will shortly be offering Acacia however I am a one man band I need your help so I can help you.
When you have checked out my statements above and then wish to move forward you can contact me at
[email protected]
Thanks for your patience

 

[Jackov Altraids]

The oldest are only three years old: Clifford Jones timber.
But they haven't fallen over yet - which is more than can be said for the 'normal' rubbish sold these days.
When you think of the cost of sheep netting, wire, labour and effort that goes into fencing, the posts that have been hawked around recently are appalling. Not fit for purpose.

http://www.molevalleyfarmers.com/mvf/store/products/machined-round-stake-5ft-6-4-top

Thought these were a bargain until I checked what "Grade 1 pressure treated Tanalith E timber stake" meant........
Use Class 1 - internal building timbers - no risk of wetting !!!!!