HSE inspections

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Good result (y)They listened to feedback, decided someone had been wrong when it came to stacking bales (the inspectors probably didn't make up the rules in the first place) and have made changes.
People don't often admit they got things wrong these days. Perhaps they should be given a bit more respect by some.
Well done for being one of the 'gents'. :D

Thank you. However, the pile of emails I read through with the inspector, were between a number of those inspectors, discussing how to interpret the bale stacking recommendations on farm. They were totally responsible for that particular interpretation, not someone higher up.

AFAIC it just reinforces the disconnect between these types of agencies and those working in the real world.
 

Yale

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Livestock Farmer
I looked on the Lantra website, where you can get details of the courses available and local trainers that offer them.
The one I rang quoted me £200 for the one day telehandler course and £145 for the atv course, both with their kit on their premises.

There were longer courses but i’m After doing the bare minimum to keep the HSE man satisfied tbh. Two days wasted when i’ve Got plenty on is more than enough afaic.

Which pressurises you increasing your risk of a .......farm accident!:facepalm:
 
Which pressurises you increasing your risk of a .......farm accident!:facepalm:
Yes, I’m sure the pressures involved in farming are behind many more accidents than the lack of inspections or training.
Indeed, an indicator of the pressures farmers are under is that the suicide rate for farmers runs at similar numbers to all those killed on farms from various causes be they farmers, farm workers or members of the public .
 

Robt

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Location
Suffolk
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Saw this today at our dealer...... yes that’s a £15k fine and lucky no loss of life . Seeing that thick hyd cable that well twisted sent a shiver down my spine.... credit to Halse South west
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
View attachment 768982 Saw this today at our dealer...... yes that’s a £15k fine and lucky no loss of life . Seeing that thick hyd cable that well twisted sent a shiver down my spine.... credit to Halse South west

I can't see any mention of a fine, just that the repair cost £15k.:scratchhead: I assume that was £15k of damage by pulling all manner control gear, etc round the shaft.

Perhaps better to ditch all the high tech gizmos, auto-steer, etc and keep everything simple, then there's less to get wrapped up?:whistle:
 

bitwrx

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I can't see any mention of a fine, just that the repair cost £15k.:scratchhead: I assume that was £15k of damage by pulling all manner control gear, etc round the shaft.

Perhaps better to ditch all the high tech gizmos, auto-steer, etc and keep everything simple, then there's less to get wrapped up?:whistle:
Indeed. I'm going straight out to buy a land drive spreader. Then I there's nothing to wrap it round either
 

Yale

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Livestock Farmer
I can't see any mention of a fine, just that the repair cost £15k.:scratchhead: I assume that was £15k of damage by pulling all manner control gear, etc round the shaft.

Perhaps better to ditch all the high tech gizmos, auto-steer, etc and keep everything simple, then there's less to get wrapped up?:whistle:

Indeed. I'm going straight out to buy a land drive spreader. Then I there's nothing to wrap it round either

Just route everything through some sturdy lay flat hose anchored out of the way.
 
We need a culture change..... Honestly cant believe some of the replies to this thread...

Mmmmm. Gut feeling - this paper pushing exercise is overtaking genuine safety concerns.

I went to an HSE meeting yesterday, which turned out to be a hard sell for an insurance company, holding hands with a favoured LOLER operator.
Not impressed. Some info was contradicted by the company’s own paperwork, and certainly by other people involved in the whole charade.

So do we want genuine safety on the farms or a pile of paper surrounded by a plethora of warning signs? Overkill that no one looks at.

I don’t want a berluddy Christmas tree at the gate so have opted for a single .Farm Safety Sign with five lines of warnings on. I have some fragile roof signs and a few other ideas. I also have folder for HSE competence certificates and records of tractor maintenance.

Am I covered? Haven’t a berluddy clue, but I’ve done my best.
 
Location
southwest
We need a culture change..... Honestly cant believe some of the replies to this thread...


Can't believe there's 18 pages on a visit by someone who's just trying to help you stay safe!

But then, I've known farmers who've lost part of a foot in a chainsaw accident or a hand in a baler, and still carry on with the same bad habits.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Mmmmm. Gut feeling - this paper pushing exercise is overtaking genuine safety concerns.

Nail on the head imo, the ridiculous bale stacking idea above being a prime example. An idea that can only have been thought up by someone with no knowledge of the subject, although no doubt with the best of intentions, and actually introduces more hazards to something that is relatively safe (flat, rectangular bales are pretty damned stable as a rule). That daft idea was then discussed and agreed by the very inspectors that are coming out on farm ‘to help us’.

Is there any wonder that most right minded folk worry about their impending visit, or take their ‘advice’ with a pinch of salt?
 
Can't believe there's 18 pages on a visit by someone who's just trying to help you stay safe!

But then, I've known farmers who've lost part of a foot in a chainsaw accident or a hand in a baler, and still carry on with the same bad habits.

Not sure that ‘trying to help you stay safe’ is still the driver. It was pointed out at this meeting that gov.uk had reduced subsidy to HSE and they make up the difference @ £129 plus VAT per hour for reinspecting breaches of HSE law or directives.
Also that in cases of breaches, insurance may not cover those costs or fines.
It was not a very uplifting meeting. If that’s the correct word. I found it insulting, arrogant, contradictory and I came out ready to throw the towel in and take up knitting.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
I sent my son on a tele-handler course, on completion he found it was only valid for grain as they only used a grain bucket and not for an articulated handler, which he also uses, bit like a certain teatime television programme. :( I have an old, deliberately vague, loading shovel one as well as all of my winter maintenance ones which are probably no longer valid :(
 

wilber

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Location
wales
I sent my son on a tele-handler course, on completion he found it was only valid for grain as they only used a grain bucket and not for an articulated handler, which he also uses, bit like a certain teatime television programme. :( I have an old, deliberately vague, loading shovel one as well as all of my winter maintenance ones which are probably no longer valid :(

I think this particular problem is growing. You only have to look at spraying tests! PA2+A-Z depending on the impliment. Cost a fortune if you use a variety of equipment.
 

Cowcalf

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what can they do to a one man band if they find non compliance. Reckon they would do more good sat at the bottom of Ben Nevis advising the climbers on their free fall technique
 
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