HSS vs Bought In

Jerry

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Devon
Are the economics of HSS ve bought in that clear cut? (Im talking just wheat and barley in this case as have to grow Clearfield Hybrids for rape)

You speak to the home dressing companies and it is a decent saving, but they dont factor in the extra time and hassle of the operation or pre dressing germination tests etc.

I like the idea in principle and have done it in the past but not for a few years. This year I have the potential of a further 100 acres to go into wheat, new land to us, and the varieties I have in the ground right now will be my first choice for next year, so could represent a decent saving on paper.
 
Location
North Notts
Anything under 5 tonnes I don't think I'd bother, like you say its the hassle factor. I like to see and grow on crops grown on our soil and conditions and think they do better grown on again over bought in seed. I also like to see seed crops reach full maturity before being harvested and dried down fast to get them tested, moved, dressed and moved again onto farm. I just like knowing where our seed has come from.
 

tw15

Member
Location
DORSET
The price of new varieties seed is quite frightening . GRAHAM £412.00, SISKIN £417 BENNINGTON £433 all plus redigo deter add another £115 a ton to the price . these were sent to me today Looking more like it will be home saved this year again if it yields this year ok .
 

FarmerBruce

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Location
Yorkshire
The price of new varieties seed is quite frightening . GRAHAM £412.00, SISKIN £417 BENNINGTON £433 all plus redigo deter add another £115 a ton to the price . these were sent to me today Looking more like it will be home saved this year again if it yields this year ok .

Don't they take the pi**!! They breed these new varieties that won't stand, shed out or sprout. They then break down with disease after 2-3 years of being commercially grown and they have the nerve to charge those kind of prices! Complete joke!
 

JonL

Member
Location
East Yorks
Don't forget the biggest benefit of HSS = the seed's on farm when you want it, no waiting for seed when conditions are perfect

Also we tend to find HSS to have more vigour to it than bought in. You're in control of quality
 

Wheatonrotty

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
MK43
We drill untreated spring barley, but do tend to buy a tonne in to grow on for the following years seed. Except when someone forgets where he drilled it!
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
All depends on scale I guess. I got a quote in today, for cleaning & Deter dressing some WB from the heap. By the time the royalties were paid, etc, it would work out at c.£420/t, against £480 for similarly treated seed delivered in a bag. For my 3.5t, it's probably not worth the extra work.
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Common practice to save wheat, barley, chickpea, faba bean - obviously not viable with hybrid sunflowers, Sorghum, maize etc & certainly not legal or desirable with GM such as cotton
We have mobile seed cleaners who come on your farm & grade / treat seed
Most varieties we grow have Plant Breeders Rights, on which we pay an End Point Royalty - ie, if you sell 1000t & keep10t for seed for yourself, you pay the EPR only on the 1000t, not your retained seed. The main caveat to that is you can't sell as seed. Most people just buy a ton or so for seed production for next year, or buy a ton so they are "registered" as having that seed, then buy the rest from their neighbour :)
The seed breeders make their money more so from the EPRs rather than physical seed sales . . .

Hybrid varieties don't have EPR - just a horrendous price per kilo

Personally, I'm trying to avoid using fungicides, seed treatments or soil borne insecticides due to concerns about damaging the soil biology, so I don't treat any of my retained seed
 
Are the economics of HSS ve bought in that clear cut? (Im talking just wheat and barley in this case as have to grow Clearfield Hybrids for rape)

You speak to the home dressing companies and it is a decent saving, but they dont factor in the extra time and hassle of the operation or pre dressing germination tests etc.

I like the idea in principle and have done it in the past but not for a few years. This year I have the potential of a further 100 acres to go into wheat, new land to us, and the varieties I have in the ground right now will be my first choice for next year, so could represent a decent saving on paper.

HSS every time. Buy 1t of new seed as and when you want and grow on as that will produce you at least 40t the following year to plant. Then only dress it with the cheapest dressing available and price it out of your shed the day you take it out. Buying new seed every year just lines the pockets of the distributor for no valid reason.

Also more and more bought in seeds seem contaminated over recent years.
 

tw15

Member
Location
DORSET
HSS every time. Buy 1t of new seed as and when you want and grow on as that will produce you at least 40t the following year to plant. Then only dress it with the cheapest dressing available and price it out of your shed the day you take it out. Buying new seed every year just lines the pockets of the distributor for no valid reason.

Also more and more bought in seeds seem contaminated over recent years.
SHUSSH keep it quite ,:) if everyone HSS there seed the breeders wont be around long to breed new varieties for us hss boys . I know the royalties go to the breeder but they are still making on top of that money and c1 seed is even dearer than c2 .:)
 
SHUSSH keep it quite ,:) if everyone HSS there seed the breeders wont be around long to breed new varieties for us hss boys . I know the royalties go to the breeder but they are still making on top of that money and c1 seed is even dearer than c2 .:)

Why? We need every farmer to change so that the industry changes.
 

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