Hunting.....what's the point?

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
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Suffolk
Foxes going to ground and being dug up by terrier men is absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe hunts allow it. If I caught them digging up foxes here they would quickly be told where to go.
 
Foxes going to ground and being dug up by terrier men is absolutely ridiculous

But it's not illegal, as long as the wordings of Schedule 1, paragraph 2 are adhered to.

That video suggests that they weren't.

Even pre-ban, it was against the MFHA's own rules to run a fox into a set of holes and bolt it to hunt again.

Edit: The video doesn't actually show a terrier, nor does the article mention the use of dogs underground. Evicting a fox with drain rods instead of terriers would not contravene the Hunting Act 2004.
 
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Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
One thing you can do with video is manipulate time. So the sequence the clips are shown in may not be the sequence in which they were shot.

Sound and video are generally on two tracks (at least), so unless you have sound in sync with lips moving, the audio could be lifted from totally different footage and edited in to appear to be what the men are (or not) saying. Ever watched a spaghetti western?

These days all sorts of manipulations can be done with video. How do I know this? Because I've done it! "The camera never lies". Bullsh!t!
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Foxes going to ground and being dug up by terrier men is absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe hunts allow it. If I caught them digging up foxes here they would quickly be told where to go.

How else would you suggest foxes to ground are dealt with?
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Foxes going to ground and being dug up by terrier men is absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe hunts allow it. If I caught them digging up foxes here they would quickly be told where to go.
depends whether you want THAT fox killed. 'Lambing call' work is very much for a purpose.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
DYFED-Powys Police are investigating a report that five hounds belonging to the Llanwnnen Hunt were shot dead on private land in the Lampeter area.

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/arti...ICrd886Kk5jESlSbWjvs4Ir27a4vWvmAnZuMnV1-4v5e8

If that’s true it is a despicable act of the worst kind. The offender should feel the full weight of law and be ostracised from the local community. Whatever his argument with the hunt it is inherently wrong to take it out on the hounds.
Words fail me :mad:(n)
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
depends whether you want THAT fox killed. 'Lambing call' work is very much for a purpose.

The Suffolk arable boys are as far away from your style of farming as it is possible to be. They just don’t understand, livestock is a dirty word to them :ROFLMAO: @Banana Bar had a brief dalliance with some sheep ...... but it didn’t last long :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Should qualify that statement as there is an enlightened organic farmer integrating sheep into arable cropping in Suffolk ;)
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
The Suffolk arable boys are as far away from your style of farming as it is possible to be. They just don’t understand, livestock is a dirty word to them :ROFLMAO: @Banana Bar had a brief dalliance with some sheep ...... but it didn’t last long :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Should qualify that statement as there is an enlightened organic farmer integrating sheep into arable cropping in Suffolk ;)
I don't have an issue with digging on its own for pest control in areas where it is difficult to shoot. But it seems un sporting when a fox has gone to ground after a hunt has chased it for miles to then dig it back up.
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
For the protection of game birds presumably

a little tale for you then.
I used to rent a bit of ground off an old pal off the hill, it being handy for putting ewes with twins away to in the spring.
He dutifully kept an eye, and was soon noticing a lamb per night going.
He happened to be a keen 'rough shoot' man -sadly now long underground- of the old skool countryman type.
He was out night after night after this sodding fox, but never saw it. The lambs kept going.
Driven bat sh*t to think I was losing lambs like this, we called in the local MFH, who came with a couple of hounds, and a shovel.
Quite nearby, they marked an earth in some woods, and dug out a 3 legged fox, who'd been living very nicely on my lambs.

I've seldom witnessed it as neat as this, but it was a perfect bit of practical work.
And no, i don't shoot pheasants, or ride to hounds
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
a little tale for you then.
I used to rent a bit of ground off an old pal off the hill, it being handy for putting ewes with twins away to in the spring.
He dutifully kept an eye, and was soon noticing a lamb per night going.
He happened to be a keen 'rough shoot' man -sadly now long underground- of the old skool countryman type.
He was out night after night after this sodding fox, but never saw it. The lambs kept going.
Driven bat sh*t to think I was losing lambs like this, we called in the local MFH, who came with a couple of hounds, and a shovel.
Quite nearby, they marked an earth in some woods, and dug out a 3 legged fox, who'd been living very nicely on my lambs.

I've seldom witnessed it as neat as this, but it was a perfect bit of practical work.
And no, i don't shoot pheasants, or ride to hounds

What @MRT means is, in its current format the Hunting Act only allows the use of a terrier below ground in order to protect game birds.
 

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