Hybrid rye

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
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West Wales
I can’t remember without having to dig/look but triticale would be the best alternative if bulk silage you want it for?
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
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West Wales
@silverfox if you currently have hybrid rye, save some back for the combine and re plant it, same goes for triticale. I had HR do 3.3t/acre grain and 3.8t/acre straw a few years ago. It worked out without the straw included at £60/t it was higher paying than WW as it didn’t have as much N and didn’t have 2 fungicides.
 

DRC

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Thanks. I grew it last year on a contract for an AD plant. It did well in the drought and was cut end of June at 16.5 tons acre.
This year they wanted more maize and grew the rye they needed at their own farm .
Reason I ask, is there’s a wholecrop option in mid tier, which I was looking at, but it had to be spring sown. So I thought it might be an option to grow rye for the AD. It stipulates that it’s got to be left in stubble until the following spring , which would be fine for me , as I’d grow maize after it.
 
Thanks. I grew it last year on a contract for an AD plant. It did well in the drought and was cut end of June at 16.5 tons acre.
This year they wanted more maize and grew the rye they needed at their own farm .
Reason I ask, is there’s a wholecrop option in mid tier, which I was looking at, but it had to be spring sown. So I thought it might be an option to grow rye for the AD. It stipulates that it’s got to be left in stubble until the following spring , which would be fine for me , as I’d grow maize after it.

Spring wheat can be wholecropped fine. Will be good on your kinder dirt but does want putting in early and at a higher seed rate. Loves fertility, watch for mildew mind.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
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West Wales
How late can you sow maize near you and how late can you harvest? Maize-spring triticale,rye,maize could work if you have long season and are prepared to cut the rye early to get a crop of maize in in mid may?

Or maize - spring triticale, “quickly run westerwold or plant triticale seed back in direct so looks like natural regrowth or volunteers)”, harvest this mid April and put maize in.

A few years ago I ran out of cover crop seed so sowed 8acre with spring triticale direct into slurried stubble that was combined the day before on 1st September, by early November it was above waist height and the grain was cheesy, if you had a crop like this near an AD plant it would’ve worked well! 2 crops wholecropped in 8months and there would still be stubble over winter for your scheme.
 

DRC

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Spring wheat can be wholecropped fine. Will be good on your kinder dirt but does want putting in early and at a higher seed rate. Loves fertility, watch for mildew mind.
That would work if someone wanted wholecrop wheat, but my AD guys, either want hybrid rye or maize.
 

bobk

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stafford
Thanks. I grew it last year on a contract for an AD plant. It did well in the drought and was cut end of June at 16.5 tons acre.
This year they wanted more maize and grew the rye they needed at their own farm .
Reason I ask, is there’s a wholecrop option in mid tier, which I was looking at, but it had to be spring sown. So I thought it might be an option to grow rye for the AD. It stipulates that it’s got to be left in stubble until the following spring , which would be fine for me , as I’d grow maize after it.

2 statements that worry me , spring rye and mid tier . just let go it's not worth it .
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
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West Wales
That would work if someone wanted wholecrop wheat, but my AD guys, either want hybrid rye or maize.
Why though? Spring wheat grown right (250kg/ha planted) will yield almost as high as rye..

I’ve looked through old pdf’s I’ve got on here for you - this May help but i’d Highly recommend speaking to John burgess at KWS, seriously knowledgeable man who always has time to help/advise on any questions in terms of yields/varieties etc..

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DRC

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2 statements that worry me , spring rye and mid tier . just let go it's not worth it .
Ha ha, I know what you mean. Sometimes it seems daft not to get something extra for what we are roughly doing anyway, but then the devil is in the detail. Oh to still have our old HLS scheme. Now that was a good scheme for us, especially as we had a lot of cattle then.
 

DRC

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Why though? Spring wheat grown right (250kg/ha planted) will yield almost as high as rye..

I’ve looked through old pdf’s I’ve got on here for you - this May help but i’d Highly recommend speaking to John burgess at KWS, seriously knowledgeable man who always has time to help/advise on any questions in terms of yields/varieties etc..

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I’d have to have a word with my AD customers.
This worked very well last year. Same field.
It had hybrid rye sown in October after maize, harvested end June, then drilled a forage crop which 70 cattle grazed before Xmas . It was then pig mucked and now has maize on it again.
 

som farmer

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somerset
we grew hybrid rye this year, cut 23 rd apr. we have previously grown it on dry thin soil ground, and were pleased with amount, and quality (silage) for dairy cows. this year it was sown into really strong ground after kale, oct, the amount of bales from 6 acres, was 120, it looked good standing, it was baled only because it killed our mower, otherwise it would have been pitted, we have fed a odd couple of bales, cattle liked it and it smelt fine, on our better grounds we can get away sowing maize mid may. so if any body knows of another crop, that can be sown between 2 maize crops, that can give me potentially 20 tonnes acre, please let me know, otherwise 30+acres for next harvest. and I to would like to know if there is a spring variety.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
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West Wales
we grew hybrid rye this year, cut 23 rd apr. we have previously grown it on dry thin soil ground, and were pleased with amount, and quality (silage) for dairy cows. this year it was sown into really strong ground after kale, oct, the amount of bales from 6 acres, was 120, it looked good standing, it was baled only because it killed our mower, otherwise it would have been pitted, we have fed a odd couple of bales, cattle liked it and it smelt fine, on our better grounds we can get away sowing maize mid may. so if any body knows of another crop, that can be sown between 2 maize crops, that can give me potentially 20 tonnes acre, please let me know, otherwise 30+acres for next harvest. and I to would like to know if there is a spring variety.
You cut it leafy I take it at that date?

Nothing will grow like that except possible OSR or forage rape but I wouldn’t want to bale that!
 

som farmer

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somerset
You cut it leafy I take it at that date?

Nothing will grow like that except possible OSR or forage rape but I wouldn’t want to bale that!

yes, cut leafy, but it was starting to head, not the best of springs for growing, so, if we were to leave it for another 2 or 3 weeks, would it be a better quality ? or should we leave it for whole crop, followed by rape/kale ? as it was developed for digesters, must have some good feed value.
a lot of members on here, probably won't believe me, when I say that, back in the 70s we used to put several thousand bamboo canes, in 4 metre squares, and then tie string across them to try and stop the rooks crows jackdaws, and a host of other avian types eating the shoots ! then came an anti bird dressing......bliss
but now that dressing is going to disappear, and packam wants to stop us shooting bird pests...…..Hence I am really keen to find alternatives. and another snippet of information for the younger generation... we used to get crops up to 15-20 feet high, and when we started ,we only had a 1 row harvester
 

cowcrazy

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SE Cornwall
we grew hybrid rye this year, cut 23 rd apr. we have previously grown it on dry thin soil ground, and were pleased with amount, and quality (silage) for dairy cows. this year it was sown into really strong ground after kale, oct, the amount of bales from 6 acres, was 120, it looked good standing, it was baled only because it killed our mower, otherwise it would have been pitted, we have fed a odd couple of bales, cattle liked it and it smelt fine, on our better grounds we can get away sowing maize mid may. so if any body knows of another crop, that can be sown between 2 maize crops, that can give me potentially 20 tonnes acre, please let me know, otherwise 30+acres for next harvest. and I to would like to know if there is a spring variety.
Which variety did you grow?
 
yes, cut leafy, but it was starting to head, not the best of springs for growing, so, if we were to leave it for another 2 or 3 weeks, would it be a better quality ? or should we leave it for whole crop, followed by rape/kale ? as it was developed for digesters, must have some good feed value.
a lot of members on here, probably won't believe me, when I say that, back in the 70s we used to put several thousand bamboo canes, in 4 metre squares, and then tie string across them to try and stop the rooks crows jackdaws, and a host of other avian types eating the shoots ! then came an anti bird dressing......bliss
but now that dressing is going to disappear, and packam wants to stop us shooting bird pests...…..Hence I am really keen to find alternatives. and another snippet of information for the younger generation... we used to get crops up to 15-20 feet high, and when we started ,we only had a 1 row harvester

15ft high and they stayed green until doomsday! Wet acidic stuff that does cows no good at all.
 

Scania82

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We planted a spring variety of Hybride Rye 5 weeks ago, I can't remember the name but we bought it from Agri. For a Welsh Hill Farm it has done well. It has had 2 applications of fertilzer.
 

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Agrobi

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are there any spring sown varieties of hybrid rye?

There is a spring variety called Arantes, seed has been quite scarce last couple of years unless you go direct to Denmark. It is hard to handle stuff when drilled late season I have found, it goes through growth stages quicker than any other Cereal or even grass I have ever seen. This is with v little Fert too. As it does this it just tends to fall over, not really flat though just v tossed and untidy. You would literally have to be seeing it every day to get the pgr timing right. I’m not even sure that arantes is actually a hybrid either, fairly sure it’s just conventional. I’m sure there are others. If for ad I’d go down the spring Wheat route or triticale if ground a bit chancey or poor.
 

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