- Location
- the brecks norfolk
Because your growing a high yielding(hopefully) barley on 112 units/AC which is malting type quantities of N.
Hybrid Winter Barley
- Thread starter warksfarmer
- Start date
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Fen organic land? 112 units be about right -maybe too much on real black.
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
That's what my 
was for he doesn't know how lucky he is on lovely fertile dirt!!!!!
was for he doesn't know how lucky he is on lovely fertile dirt!!!!!
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- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I only put 140kg of N on my (conventional) winter barley too, but only as I didn’t think it would use any more than that as it was so thin coming out of the winter. 
It looks like it would have used more now, but glad I haven’t had the storms some of you lot have.
It looks like it would have used more now, but glad I haven’t had the storms some of you lot have.
And it still f**king fell over!
It’s not fertile most of it. Droughts out most years and I’m not a good farmer so it won’t be high yielding. When we grew winter malting barley they only used 60units of N.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
- Location
- Hereford
Revive of old thread .
Our agronomist is recommending a variety of Barley called SY Canyon . It's a hybrid variety . We are a lightish soil .
Anyone heard of it or used it .... is it more costly to grow than conventional Barley ?
I would much prefer something like Tardis .....any thoughts anyone ?
Our agronomist is recommending a variety of Barley called SY Canyon . It's a hybrid variety . We are a lightish soil .
Anyone heard of it or used it .... is it more costly to grow than conventional Barley ?
I would much prefer something like Tardis .....any thoughts anyone ?
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I grew Tardis this year and was very pleased with it, especially considering the season. The same will be going in again, but on a reduced acreage as I need more turnips in.
I couldn't get any Tardis seed from Wynnstay last year, as all they had allocated was put out to seed multipliers. They obviously have high hopes for it.
No experience of growing hybrids, having been put off by the seed price and being tied into high inputs. Everyone I know that does grow it (on heavier soils with plenty of muck under) raves about it and tells me I'm daft. Always masses of straw, if that's your thing.
I'd be concerned about low bushel weights on lighter soils?
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Grow Tardis
My experience (albeit only one year) was pretty bad. Expensive seed, more inputs, loads of straw which smashed up to nothing in the baler and not enough grain yield. I think it just about washed it’s face for the extra cost involved, but what is the point in out laying more cash to get the same net result?
Grown Kingsbarn for a few years, on land that has been grazed grass for the last 4. Always seem to struggle to combine it. Agronomist keeps telling me it will be managed but it grows far to tall and thick no matter how much straw shortener it gets. Sprayed it off this year for the first time and thankfully combined ok but the amount of straw and corn was ridiculous. Did over 4.25t/ac. Half the field got 125kg/ha of single top, rest got nothing. Pic shows the half that got nothing, I’m 5’10” 
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our agrono says hybred seed to dear + higher growing costs , so farm saved surge but have bought 2t tardis to grow on.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
We grew Hawking in the same field as Kingsbarn and there was no difference in yield. (Hybrid seed left over from year before). Same inputs.
- Location
- Stratford on Avon
I've tried hybrid before and cut my neighbours for a couple of years. I am more than happy with my 2 row barley but this year I have a field which one side has BG, I have bought just enough hybrid seed to plant half the field and that's enough thank you, will certainly be interesting to see if there's a difference
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
I cant get my head around how hybrid is supposed to help BG, yes it's a bit taller so would out compete it but it's drilled at a lower seed rate and always looks to be "open" all autumn/winter which surely allows BG to thrive.
Surely a conventional at a robust seed rate would do more good.
Surely a conventional at a robust seed rate would do more good.
MikeNeaverson
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Hybrid barley has its place in high yielding situations. 10.2t/ha here this year grown on land that wouldn't have done 8t/ha of second wheat with black grass. Yes, I know, on paper spring barley would be better for BG but I'm done growing crap spring crops in our dry springs and an area of winter splits the risk and allows early entry into OSR.
It doesn't look very strong in the winter but kicks off in the spring to the most competitive crop we grow. I did some sums this year and it cuts seed return by about 90% compared with growing a second wheat in the same situations - fewer BG tiller and smaller ears per tiller. In this respect its about half as good again as conventional two row.
It has yield 11.5t/ha across a big area for us in good growing years in better situations than where I put it this year.
It doesn't look very strong in the winter but kicks off in the spring to the most competitive crop we grow. I did some sums this year and it cuts seed return by about 90% compared with growing a second wheat in the same situations - fewer BG tiller and smaller ears per tiller. In this respect its about half as good again as conventional two row.
It has yield 11.5t/ha across a big area for us in good growing years in better situations than where I put it this year.
- Location
- Hereford
.... anyone got any contacts for Tardis winter Barley seed .
Happy for pm's
Thankyou
Happy for pm's
Thankyou