I dont get it?

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I think @RWG Contracts might disagree. Unless he's got a secret RR. ;)
The only farmer I know who bought a new Range Rover last year also told me that at one point he was losing 25k a month milking.:scratchhead:

Perhaps I ought to add he has several business, one of them erecting buildings, perhaps that's where the money for the Range Rover comes from!
He also has a contracting business, perhaps that's where the money for the Range Rover comes from:scratchhead:
 

Steevo

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He also has a contracting business, perhaps that's where the money for the Range Rover comes from:scratchhead:

Ah, most likely!! Well, as well as the fuel supply business.

He probably has a fleet of Fendt tractors each generating diesel like there's no tomorrow and then ships it out to local businesses, recycling this waste product and turning it into a valuable commodity.
 

dannewhouse

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The only question is who decides what is and isn't safe practise?
the dangers of working at height are quite obvious but perhaps a less thought about thing might be objects falling from height do the men on the ground wear hard hats? This is obviously a less severe accident but I would think more common?

is it safe practise to go in a pen of cattle? with one that's just calved? and a bull?
I would actually argue it is safe to do all of them, the hse wouldn't though?

health and safety is very much your opinion. a man stood in a loader bucket or on a pallet (with a harness attached) is actually safer than a proper man basket without.

what is deemed as safe practise today wont be the same as in a few years.
 
The only question is who decides what is and isn't safe practise?
the dangers of working at height are quite obvious but perhaps a less thought about thing might be objects falling from height do the men on the ground wear hard hats? This is obviously a less severe accident but I would think more common?

is it safe practise to go in a pen of cattle? with one that's just calved? and a bull?
I would actually argue it is safe to do all of them, the hse wouldn't though?

health and safety is very much your opinion. a man stood in a loader bucket or on a pallet (with a harness attached) is actually safer than a proper man basket without.

what is deemed as safe practise today wont be the same as in a few years.
I don't agree that a bucket with harness is safer than a man basket, apart from the fact d question the need for a harness in a basket for most jobs I certainly don't like the idea of a harness with a bucket which after a few years use usually have a sharp cutting edge, in the event of a fall that harness could well pull you back against that cutting edge which depending on the circumstances could be worst than the fall.

We are all responsible for our own safety but I would accept that what I might consider safe someone from HSE might not. eg my questioning whether a harness is necessary for all jobs involving a man basket.

Some things are blatantly risky, others although not acceptable to HSE are probably safe to the point that you'd be very unfortunate to get hurt, in fact many every day activities such as crossing the road are more dangerous.
 

dannewhouse

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I don't agree that a bucket with harness is safer than a man basket, apart from the fact d question the need for a harness in a basket for most jobs I certainly don't like the idea of a harness with a bucket which after a few years use usually have a sharp cutting edge, in the event of a fall that harness could well pull you back against that cutting edge which depending on the circumstances could be worst than the fall.

We are all responsible for our own safety but I would accept that what I might consider safe someone from HSE might not. eg my questioning whether a harness is necessary for all jobs involving a man basket.

Some things are blatantly risky, others although not acceptable to HSE are probably safe to the point that you'd be very unfortunate to get hurt, in fact many every day activities such as crossing the road are more dangerous.

youre right a very simple 1 for you which way d̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ does your good lady stack the dishwasher? a risk assessment shows you should put the blade of the knife fork spoon downwards but they recommend handle down and most basket thingys only let you do it this way? at what point do people learn from mistakes (I appreciate we are perhaps different ends of the spectrum)
 

Forever Fendt

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£1480 to have this fully netted and a double handrail all round with the netting tied of onto the top handrails to comply with all HSE requirements including erecting and dismantling (about what a solicitor would charge for 5 hours) should the worst happen ,its costed in the job so the client is paying.The odds on the gamble people are taking does not look to good save £500 and risk a fine of maybe £50k
 

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dannewhouse

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£1480 to have this fully netted and a double handrail all round with the netting tied of onto the top handrails to comply with all HSE requirements including erecting and dismantling (about what a solicitor would charge for 5 hours) should the worst happen ,its costed in the job so the client is paying.The odds on the gamble people are taking does not look to good save £500 and risk a fine of maybe £50k
the problem farmers are faced with is that 1480 could be better spent in their opinion such as well that's paid for half the concrete floor etc.

if we were 50 years earlier they wouldn't see a problem with the "unsafe" way, similarly in 50 years time they wont contend doing it to current standards (the way we are going you wont even be able to go off the floor so robots??)
 
youre right a very simple 1 for you which way d̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ does your good lady stack the dishwasher? a risk assessment shows you should put the blade of the knife fork spoon downwards but they recommend handle down and most basket thingys only let you do it this way? at what point do people learn from mistakes (I appreciate we are perhaps different ends of the spectrum)
Nowts ever simple mon, don't have a dishwasher.:p
 

Steevo

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Gloucestershire
That technology is prehistoric

Agreed. Had that done here to a Dutch barn many many years ago.

There's some sense in it for existing buildings.....but none at all for building new ones. I also bet it's VERY expensive to do given all the "benefits" shown in the video i.e. can keep on working around it, done in a day, converts existing building etc.

Probably costs 50% of the cost of a new building. For farms with land who usually have plenty of space you'd be better to keep the low buildings, and build a new high one.
 

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