I told you so !

Bruce Almighty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
We hear all this hypocritical nonsense from Cop26 as the experts fly in and out of Glasgow.

"Life at 50 degrees" on BBC2 earlier in the week showed crop failure in certain parts of the world, I really felt for the farmer in Iraq, his wheat & barley had dropped to half a tonne/acre & he was losing money. His combine driver hadn't been taught how to cut a field properly either.

In Mauritius they travelled on the iron ore train with their trussed up sheep/goats in the hope of a better life. The sheep/goats were fed on cardboard.

In British Columbia a town was lost to a wildfire. In Australia they had similar battles.

This was a rare BBC programme that didn't blame British Farmers

BUT

Meanwhile in Britain we're being told to plant more trees and that cattle farming is bad, even though we all know beef reared on permanent pasture is as environment friendly as you could ever get.

Fertiliser prices are at an all time high all over the world.

It doesn't seem to have registered with "the experts" yet, but food will soon get short.

At 53, I hope I will live long enough to prove that all this stupid re-wilding, stewardship, tree planting,vegan nonsense will leave people hungry, then I will be able to say "I told you so"
 
Now here's a thought ....

If these seismic climate changes come to pass, I wonder if the government of the day won't step in and nationalise farming perhaps on similar lines to WW2

Discuss
Doubt I’ll be around to see the day when there’s government grants to rip out trees and bring re wilded land back into production but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that it will happen one day if a secure supply of imported food can’t be maintained
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Now here's a thought ....

If these seismic climate changes come to pass, I wonder if the government of the day won't step in and nationalise farming perhaps on similar lines to WW2

Discuss
Do they not now but in a different way.

Local estate was encouraged and paid to plant trees and culm measures (wet grassland, and I mean wet) circa 1950s.

In last 5 years this has been clear felled to put it back to as it was for wildlife. Now we see large tracts of similar land being planted to trees....

Sounds like the Ooslum bird, which flies backwards in every decreasing circles until it flies up its own ar$e!
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Do they not now but in a different way.

Local estate was encouraged and paid to plant trees and culm measures (wet grassland, and I mean wet) circa 1950s.

In last 5 years this has been clear felled to put it back to as it was for wildlife. Now we see large tracts of similar land being planted to trees....

Sounds like the Ooslum bird, which flies backwards in every decreasing circles until it flies up its own ar$e!
Wood / timber is a renewable fuel and building material and its been that for longer than farming for food was invented'.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Wood / timber is a renewable fuel and building material and its been that for longer than farming for food was invented'.
It is but governments policy's change.

How long before timber isn't allowed to be felled as its "saving" the planet?

Why should we be allowed to fell timber and replant but yet Brazil can't?

We clear felled majority of UK but that was OK.....or was it?

I look down the deep wooded valleys around me and see masses of wonderful ancient woodlands interspersed with managed softwoods and farmed land.

People love this part of the UK and jump into their cars every weekend to come down and stay in their holiday homes bringing their provisions with then before setting off back to the city Sunday evening.
All they do is contribute to pollution and the demise of the rural community.

A ban on 2nd homes to save the planet maybe?
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
Now here's a thought ....

If these seismic climate changes come to pass, I wonder if the government of the day won't step in and nationalise farming perhaps on similar lines to WW2

Discuss
I've always said that would happen, if food became a National Security issue for some reason, whatever that might be.

Basically we're allowed to wallow around in the mud and do our own thing scratching a living while the times are good, but if the SHTF and food prices are through the roof then we'll be nationalised faster than you can say Arthur Scargill. We are never going to be allowed to make serious money out of farming, on a scale of the sort of return on capital that the banks and other financial institutions make (for example).

Currently people spend c. 8-9% of their income on food, if that say doubled to 15-20% (which would only take you back to how things were in the 1960s) then we would face price and production controls for sure. Maybe not pure nationalisation, as even the government knows that turning farms into a version of your local council's public works department would mean half the production at 3 times the cost. But some sort of similar control system as was implemented during the war would be introduced overnight. Farms are never going to be allowed to be gold mines.
 

jendan

Member
I've always said that would happen, if food became a National Security issue for some reason, whatever that might be.

Basically we're allowed to wallow around in the mud and do our own thing scratching a living while the times are good, but if the SHTF and food prices are through the roof then we'll be nationalised faster than you can say Arthur Scargill. We are never going to be allowed to make serious money out of farming, on a scale of the sort of return on capital that the banks and other financial institutions make (for example).

Currently people spend c. 8-9% of their income on food, if that say doubled to 15-20% (which would only take you back to how things were in the 1960s) then we would face price and production controls for sure. Maybe not pure nationalisation, as even the government knows that turning farms into a version of your local council's public works department would mean half the production at 3 times the cost. But some sort of similar control system as was implemented during the war would be introduced overnight. Farms are never going to be allowed to be gold mines.
The 1947 Agriculture Act was similar,in that it was dressed up as support when in reality at the time ,non was needed.Food was still rationed and desperately short and farmers could have extracted almost any prices they wanted.For a good few years after the war,it was infact price control. Of course the farmers at the time had not forgotten the price crashes in the 1920s,and feared it would happen again.......................I think as we head further into the 2020s,this time could be a whole load different.
 

Wooly

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Romney Marsh
Unfortunately Governments appear to always be behind the times.

When I started farming, it was always to produce as much as possible and subsidies were geared up for production. It created huge mountains of food, but production was still the order.

Now it's become all about rewilding, using good food for 'green' energy and tree planting.

Even I can see that the food mountains have disappeared and food production verses use is about to run on par. This is the time to start ramping up food production, but apparently todays policy is to still reduce it !!

The chickens might come home to roost in 3 or 4 years time. Glad I will never go hungry.
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Location
Cumbria
Unfortunately I think it will get worse before it gets better
I'm not actually as sure about this as I was. I think there are a Hell of a lot of people who have been utterly disgusted at CRAP26 to the point there are some stories starting to come out in the media that are upsetting the established applecart. Teeny tiny glimmers of light I agree but most right-minded folk only want to be told the truth and treated as adults. Who in this country actually believes all these "we're going to be net zero by 20xx" comedy adverts? It simply isn't possible, no matter who the company is. It ALL revolves around the lie that is carbon offsetting.
 

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Five nature-recovery projects spanning 100,000ha launched

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Written by Michelle Martin from Agriland

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Five nature-recovery projects spanning nearly 100,000ha across the West Midlands, Cambridgeshire, the Peak District, Norfolk and Somerset have been announced by the government and Natural England today (Thursday, May 26).

This is the equivalent in size to all 219 current National Reserves.

The aim of the projects is to deliver nature recovery at a landscape scale, helping to tackle biodiversity loss, climate change and improve public health and well-being.

All five projects will make a significant contribution towards the national delivery of the international commitment to protect at least 30% of land and...
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