'If' my beans are too thin.

Discussion in 'Cropping' started by Grass And Grain, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. Think I've got the opposite problem to @Mr Charisma.

    Possibly fine in some areas of the field, but very thin stand in other parts.

    Any suggestions of anything to help the thin areas? Can I promote tillers?
     
  2. shakerator

    shakerator Member

    Location:
    LINCS
    No good without PICS!!

    If weed free 6-9 plants /sq m will b ok
     
  3. Jon

    Jon Member

    Location:
    South Norfolk
    Well I cannot keep crows from thinning mine.
    Gas bangers, rope bangers and me trying to spice those up with lead.

    I will have to patch drill with the tine drill in the spring, if agronomist says to.
     
  4. Andrew K

    Andrew K Member

    Location:
    Essex
    What sort of establishment method Jon?
     
  5. Jon

    Jon Member

    Location:
    South Norfolk
    Discaerator, then tine drill set at max depth, beans roughly at 3 inches deep, then a roll as it was very dry, we wanted to improve the cloddy finish to help in our fight against blackgrass.
     
  6. Oat

    Oat Member

    Location:
    Cheshire
    Personally, I wouldn't have rolled, as I don't think beans like compaction. However, you definitely did right to do something to break down the clods for (hopefully) better herbicide activity, I would have used a light harrow or something similar.
     
  7. Size 11 wellies for the scale. Worst where they've struggled on the lighter areas. Ploughed in ( maybe too deep?).

    First photo shows one of the poor parts. Crows took a few, but they aren't bothering them now.

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  8. Might just have 6 / Sq m on the sandy patches, but some tiny blw there as well. Hopefully get away with most of the field.

    On another note. Nvz, so can't put fym on before pulses. If sowing a cover crop between harvest and beans, anyone know if it's permissible to spread fym before the cover crop, is that within the rules?
     
  9. Jon

    Jon Member

    Location:
    South Norfolk
    @Grass And Grain, I'll pop some of mine up from today's crow session. 1483717123957.jpg 1483717164281.jpg 1483717186209.jpg
    Photos really of plants cut of, but plant population worrying at the moment.
    Yours look great, nothing to worry about there.
     
  10. Oat

    Oat Member

    Location:
    Cheshire
    Look fine, give them a few months and they will look good and hopefully will have lots of pods per plant

    Have you sprayed clomazone or imazamox on them?, there looks to be a bit of bleaching. It should just be temporary and they will soon outgrow it
     
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  11. Jon

    Jon Member

    Location:
    South Norfolk
    Yep, Clomazone, they have picked it up this year, which surprised me as it had been drier than last year, when the beans showed less effect.
     
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  12. Mr Charisma

    Mr Charisma Member

    Location:
    stratford on Avon
    @Grass And Grain , I bet those outyield my to thick beans as long as if you keep control of blw , Will go and take a photo of mine tomorrow
     
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  13. too early to decide
    if they are too thin in march then spray off and plant spring

    I have some where I am not sure but have plenty of hs seed to make a late decision
    if there is any amount of bg then it is easy to start again as seed is cheaper than rampant bg and spring beans need less fungicide and may achieve a higher price
     
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  14. shakerator

    shakerator Member

    Location:
    LINCS
    Even the first photo looks fine to me
     
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  15. Well you are all filling me with confidence anyway (not said sarcastically).

    They grew too well last year. Then we struggled with disease, although still managed 2t. Therefore, I reduced the seed rate a bit this year and was worried I'd over done it.

    I guess weeds could be my biggest problem. Might need to be on the ball with the basagran. Never seen it work all that we'll before.

    @Jon yours look like there might still be some to emerge?

    I like your optimism!

    If that was a bit more bodied soil then I would hope they just might be OK, but some of the few that are there are already dying back on these light patches.

    I put 50 percent more seed on the lighter side of the field and they're still struggling.
     
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  16. Jon

    Jon Member

    Location:
    South Norfolk
    I hope so.
     
  17. Mr Charisma

    Mr Charisma Member

    Location:
    stratford on Avon
    To thick or to thin ,,,,,,,, bugger if I know !!!!!!!
     

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  18. Fine!

    Nothing on this thread looks massively out of the ordinary to me.

    Don't go to the expense of redrilling stuff now. You've spend your money on seed/pre-em. They will probably end up with more pods and compensate a bit. Just keep BLWs out!
     
  19. shakerator

    shakerator Member

    Location:
    LINCS
    Dry summer spot on

    Wet summer too thick

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing ....
     
  20. shakerator

    shakerator Member

    Location:
    LINCS
    These are my thinnest slugs having a go. Clean though and no pre em
     

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