If the unthinkable happens

[i dont belief it]

As title says anyone buying glyphosate

 

[SilliamWhale]

You mean if they ban it?

Im not stockpiling it. Theres no point

 

[i dont belief it]

Was thinking about it

 

[D14]

Having spoken to a used machinery dealership last week looking for a folding power harrow they said sales of ploughs are on the up generally with farmers buying used ones to park up in case.

 

[Clive]

If it got banned I would be tempted to just stop farming I think ? to me it would be the final message that what we do is simply not wanted, that logic or the environment really doesnt matter, there are plenty of other more profitable things you can do with capital than farm so why flog a dead horse if people really are so daft as it seems they may possibly be ?

I really cant see how I can farm at anything like a decent return on my money while ploughing and i'm not doing it for a hobby thats for sure !

 

[York]

why be so pessimistic? one CS farm hasn't used Glyphosate now for >4 years and still is around.
there are solutions out there & not at the price of building OM or increasing soil life.
York-Th.

 

[Crabtree]

why be so pessimistic? one CS farm hasn't used Glyphosate now for >4 years and still is around.
there are solutions out there & not at the price of building OM or increasing soil life.
York-Th.

He probably can't afford any sprays after buying a 'costs-lots' !

Having spoken to a used machinery dealership last week looking for a folding power harrow they said sales of ploughs are on the up generally with farmers buying used ones to park up in case.

When I sold my plough it was exported to New Zealand, its just about far enough away from my farm now. God help us if ploughings the only way forward.

As title says anyone buying glyphosate

Already bought more than a years worth before the price rise- like everyone else I expect.

 

[Clive]

why be so pessimistic? one CS farm hasn't used Glyphosate now for >4 years and still is around.
there are solutions out there & not at the price of building OM or increasing soil life.
York-Th.

i'm not sure none glyphosate no till is possible if you want to produce an annual cash crop in the UK without ploughing ? I'm sure there are ways that make it possible with a crop every 18months - 2 years but unless economics change that simply would not stack up vs a plough and the returns from tillage farming are not enough to be bothered with IMO

 

[York]

Clive,
you are aware of the psycology rule, resulting in the most accidents? That you don't see what you don't expect.
So the solution can virtually sit on your foot toes & woalk with you but you will not see it as you are not expecting that it's there. Same with Organics which "bashed" me when I got involved in No Till >20 years ago. They said: now you are a Monsanto sales personal. Now we have the 1st organic farms which do No till in >50% of the years & have every year a cash crop to sell.
As long as I don't expect a solution for my challenge I will not look for it & develop it.
York-Th.
p.s. by the way the 1st Brasilien "electric Glyphosate" is operational in germany in an organic, to be precise a biodynamic farm for several years already.

 

[martian]

Clive,
you are aware of the psycology rule, resulting in the most accidents? That you don't see what you don't expect.
So the solution can virtually sit on your foot toes & woalk with you but you will not see it as you are not expecting that it's there. Same with Organics which "bashed" me when I got involved in No Till >20 years ago. They said: now you are a Monsanto sales personal. Now we have the 1st organic farms which do No till in >50% of the years & have every year a cash crop to sell.
As long as I don't expect a solution for my challenge I will not look for it & develop it.
York-Th.
p.s. by the way the 1st Brasilien "electric Glyphosate" is operational in germany in an organic, to be precise a biodynamic farm for several years already.

Fantastic. Is the Brazilian thing some sort of waxing device?

 

[bobk]

Who wants to ban glypho ? enviromentalists or chem companys ...... cos it's too cheap.

 

[York]

Fantastic. Is the Brazilian thing some sort of waxing device?

read it once more what I wrote.
York-Th.
p.s. should actually make a debut at Groundswell

 

[Hartwig]

Fantastic. Is the Brazilian thing some sort of waxing device?

It`s this:
http://zasso.eu/en/technologies-for-digital-weeding/

 

[glasshouse]

If it got banned I would be tempted to just stop farming I think ? to me it would be the final message that what we do is simply not wanted, that logic or the environment really doesnt matter, there are plenty of other more profitable things you can do with capital than farm so why flog a dead horse if people really are so daft as it seems they may possibly be ?

I really cant see how I can farm at anything like a decent return on my money while ploughing and i'm not doing it for a hobby thats for sure !

You really cant see the wood for the trees.
Banning roundup will seriously cut production , and prices will rise in uk to reflect becoming a net importer.
win win win

 

[SilliamWhale]

You really cant see the wood for the trees.
Banning roundup will seriously cut production , and prices will rise in uk to reflect becoming a net importer.
win win win

Lets ban nitrogen instead

 

[glasshouse]

Lets ban nitrogen instead

i said cut production, not stop altogether

 

[4course]

You really cant see the wood for the trees.
Banning roundup will seriously cut production , and prices will rise in uk to reflect becoming a net importer.
win win win

ah but we would have to ban any imports of food products from anywhere else in the world that didnt ban it , cant see that happening with all this talk of trade deals post brexit but can envisage a shoot ourselves in the foot ban, uk or europe only then it would be lose lose lose

 

[SilliamWhale]

i said cut production, not stop altogether

It wouldn't stop production though would it - we'd still be producing. Everyone wins then don't they? Or how about we ban all fungicides? Maybe ban lime then? - that would cut production too in a lot of areas. Why not ban tractors? They're clear pollutants

 

[glasshouse]

It wouldn't stop production though would it - we'd still be producing. Everyone wins then don't they? Or how about we ban all fungicides? Maybe ban lime then? - that would cut production too in a lot of areas. Why not ban tractors? They're clear pollutants

And what is the public arguement to ban these items?
Roundup is the only one they want to ban and are building the case for it.
Personally i think its a good thing. I still wince when i see a bright yellow rounduped field when it should be green.

 

[Bones]

Do people not think as we leave Europe, that the ban on glyphosate might not be as likely?