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Agrivator

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Just as an aside, the Limousin is by far the UK's most popular and numerous cross simply because of its carcase characteristics. Each kilo of live weight is more valuable than that of any other cross in that it has a higher KO% and the resultant carcase has a high lean: bone ratio.

The one breed or cross that exceeds it is the Blonde Aquitaine (another French breed), but it is so difficult to put a finish on that it is much less popular amongst feeders.

There is of course, no difference between breeds or crosses in their eating quality, although I don't want to start an argument.
But I do actually.

I still haven't recovered from a recent ''Farmers' Country Showdown'' episode on TV. It concentrated on the ''North Devon'' class at a show somewhere in Cornwall. I have never seen so many small, overfat, short and dumpy individuals waddling round a show ring. And the cattle weren't much better. I blame all that clotted cream.
 
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Agrivator

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Considering all the jiggery-pokery that goes on in pedigree breeding, it seems a bit unfair that Jaegerbomb and his disputed dam identity has created such a stromach.

We all, or at least the cynical ones among us, know that since time immemorial, calves have been swapped at birth, birthdates have been fabricated, calves have been removed from milkless dams and reared on nurse cows, superior breeds have secretly been added, and cattle for show and sale are pumped full of concentrate feeds.

But I must point out that the Hereford, Angus, Beef Shorthorn, Luing, and Charolais cannot possibly be included in the list of guilty breeds.

Why don't all breeds follow the Scottish Blackface breeders, and just define the pedigree of each animal by verbal agreement?
 

AGN76

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Considering all the jiggery-pokery that goes on in pedigree breeding, it seems a bit unfair that Jaegerbomb and his disputed dam identity has created such a stromach.

We all, or at least the cynical ones among us, know that since time immemorial, calves have been swapped at birth, birthdates have been fabricated, calves have been removed from milkless dams and reared on nurse cows, superior breeds have secretly been added, and cattle for show and sale are pumped full of concentrate feeds.

But I must point out that the Hereford, Angus, Beef Shorthorn, Luing, and Charolais cannot possibly be included in the list of guilty breeds.

Why don't all breeds follow the Scottish Blackface breeders, and just define the pedigree of each animal by verbal agreement?
What about all the Canadian, Aus, SA blood in Angus, Hereford, BS ? They are almost like separate breeds compared to the UK ones.
Don't the BS society refuse to do a separate register for 100% pure also? (I think I'm correct saying that)
 

Cowgirl

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Livestock Farmer
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Ayrshire
What about all the Canadian, Aus, SA blood in Angus, Hereford, BS ? They are almost like separate breeds compared to the UK ones.
Don't the BS society refuse to do a separate register for 100% pure also? (I think I'm correct saying that)
They are separate breeds.
 

Agrivator

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I reckon the Beef Shorthorn must have had a good deal of Dairy Shorthorn introduced. That would explain the high proportion of plain lean types.
 

Cowgirl

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ayrshire
I reckon the Beef Shorthorn must have had a good deal of Dairy Shorthorn introduced. That would explain the high proportion of plain lean types.
As I understand it, there used to be only one type of shorthorn and then they divided into beef and dairy? The beef shorthorn had an open herdbook and Maine Anjou was introduced I think to increase size. Someone may correct this as I am not completely sure.
 
As I understand it, there used to be only one type of shorthorn and then they divided into beef and dairy? The beef shorthorn had an open herdbook and Maine Anjou was introduced I think to increase size. Someone may correct this as I am not completely sure.
You understand correctly. Robert Bakewell, Dishley Grange near L’boro, Leics did selective breeding of cattle, including the beef / dairy shorthorn and the famous Longhorn cattle. Also sheep and shire horses.

 

Johngee

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Llandysul
You understand correctly. Robert Bakewell, Dishley Grange near L’boro, Leics did selective breeding of cattle, including the beef / dairy shorthorn and the famous Longhorn cattle. Also sheep and shire horses.

Apologies for being pedantic, but Bakewell had nothing to do with Shorthorns, just Longhorns. It was the Colling brothers who developed the Shorthorns, but based on Bakewell’s methods.
 
Apologies for being pedantic, but Bakewell had nothing to do with Shorthorns, just Longhorns. It was the Colling brothers who developed the Shorthorns, but based on Bakewell’s methods.
Yes. Colling was an apprentice of Bakewell and carried on the ‘line breeding’ in different directions.

Amazing man, lovely farm, now growing houses.
 

Old Tip

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Cumbria
What about all the Canadian, Aus, SA blood in Angus, Hereford, BS ? They are almost like separate breeds compared to the UK ones.
Don't the BS society refuse to do a separate register for 100% pure also? (I think I'm correct saying that)
I think he was being sarcastic ;):cool:
 

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