I'm British get me outa here.

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
But it doesn't happen like that does it,your Eurocrats go there and do a deal but then he has to get it passed by the other 27 where as when he talks to our people he knows what the deal is when it's finished,just look how well the Canada deal went. The Canadians thought they had a deal but o no wait someone said no so no deal

Errrr
Thought there were still 28 members.
I can forsee one member holding any deal up.
:whistle:
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RobFZS

Member
As stated previously the free movement of people works fine as does the Euro, there are different rates of employment through Europe, as there is in the U K with some regions suffering a higher unemployment than others.Where is this lost generation?

I would back NATO and global trade, The rise in Nationalism is prevalent in the UK. Hence the Brexit vote.

It should not be beyond the realms of comprehension to look at an area of the world or visit it and have a view.
Just because I like the concept of a United Europe that should not mean I have to live there. If I still lived in the UK chances are I would move to Europe. I left England 18 years ago and choose to live in New Zealand.

Freedom of movement allows those with very little to try and gain employment elsewhere, look at all your hospitals, care homes, etc. where the Eastern Europeans are doing the jobs the Brits don't want to do.
And your point is??
Utter delusion :ROFLMAO: unfortunately, you lot don't listen/ reply when people are polite, so we have to go for the jugular, it seems to hit the right nerves to wake you up abit

Stick to Nz, with it's cap on migrants, whinging about migrants taking jobs, needing fruit pickers, lack of housing etc etc.
 
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stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Utter delusion :ROFLMAO: unfortunately, you lot don't listen/ reply when people are polite, so we have to go for the jugular, it seems to hit the right nerves to wake you up abit

Stick to Nz, with it's cap on migrants, whinging about migrants taking jobs, needing fruit pickers, lack of housing etc etc.
Looks like you have had another night out on the lash again, try putting a bit more lemonade in your shandy then at least your post may make a bit more sense. Who are you referring to with "you lot"?

Thanks for the advice, I intend to stick with NZ where we do have a cap on migration as the U.K. does for those that live outside the EU. There is not much whinging in NZ that is the preserve of the English, hence the term whinging Pom. We are not that short of fruit pickers, thanks to the government policy of giving peoples from the disadvantaged areas of the Pacific work visas. Lack of housing is a world wide problem, not helped in NZ by the amount of people who want to move there, they all have to have somewhere to live.

High unemployment in areas of Europe is not down to a single currency, Southern and Eastern Europe has historically had high unemployment long before the Euro came into being. The Euroseptics have been predicting the downfall of the single currency for several years now, yet where are we 19 or so years after its inception? It is one of the main reserve currencies used around the world, second only to the USD quite an achievement in a relatively short period of time.

Currently traveling around Europe with a group of 10 kiwis, we have only been in one country where the Euro is not used, what a pain in the arse using a different currency, at least the money changers will be making a profit even though they have produced nought, what a den of thieves they are.

I have been to Europe several times over the past 10 years and it is interesting seeing the attitude some Europeans particularly the French take to the British, when walking into a bar, restaurant or shop and get mistaken as British It can be quite difficult to be served, Once they know your are actually from NZ there is a complete change, this happens in a minority of cases but it is often enough to be noticeable.
 
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RobFZS

Member
Looks like you have had another night out on the lash again, try putting a bit more lemonade in your shandy then at least your post may make a bit more sense. Who are you referring to with "you lot"?

Thanks for the advice, I intend to stick with NZ where we do have a cap on migration as the U.K. does for those that live outside the EU. There is not much whinging in NZ that is the preserve of the English, hence the term whinging Pom. We are not that short of fruit pickers, thanks to the government policy of giving peoples from the disadvantaged areas of the Pacific work visas. Lack of housing is a world wide problem, not helped in NZ by the amount of people who want to move there, they all have to have somewhere to live.

High unemployment in areas of Europe is not down to a single currency, Southern and Eastern Europe has historically had high unemployment long before the Euro came into being. The Euroseptics have been predicting the downfall of the single currency for several years now, yet where are we 19 or so years after its inception? It is one of the main reserve currencies used around the world, second only to the USD quite an achievement in a relatively short period of time.

Currently traveling around Europe with a group of 10 kiwis, we have only been in one country where the Euro is not used, what a pain in the arse using a different currency, at least the money changers will be making a profit even though they have produced nought, what a den of thieves they are.

I have been to Europe several times over the past 10 years and it is interesting seeing the attitude some Europeans particularly the French take to the British, when walking into a bar, restaurant or shop and get mistaken as British It can be quite difficult to be served, Once they know your are actually from NZ there is a complete change, this happens in a minority of cases but it is often enough to be noticeable.
Looks like i touched a nerv, So you've met a load of racists that hate the British,Maybe you're just the arse? i went to Greece last year and they were nothing but very welcoming, even the large German tourist on the excursion trip was very friendly, i'm going again in 2 weeks so i'll look out for all this Anti British attitude you seem to find :S

I think i'll listen to Joe Stiglitz on the Euro failures,a Nobel prize- winning economist, rather than some ideological nobody.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136...joseph-stiglitz-euro-europes-uncertain-future

''The euro really didn’t start until 1999, so it didn’t even have a decade of success before the crisis. The crisis period has now been almost as long as the period before the crisis, and you have to say it’s been an utter economic failure. Because of the structure of the Eurozone, there’s nothing the individual country can do to get out of the mess except to accept depression and this horrific kind of adjustment process, which really clearly undermines society. You see it happening over and over again. If it were one country, you could say the country was the problem. But it’s not only Greece. It’s Spain, it’s Portugal.''

''
You have the system of free migration, which has exacerbated what I call “place-based debt,” some of which is very largely inherited. Young, well-educated Greeks can avoid paying back the debt by simply moving to another country'' Thanks free movement

Greek unemployment -
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BEYyN9M.png



Joined the Euro in 01, yet massive long term unemployment you say? are you telling porkies here?Plenty more Graphs of all the other countries trending the same way.

Like i've said, this sort of thing turns the phrase from what can i do for my country, to what can a country do for me,Utter delusion from a fairy drifting from state to state.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Looks like i touched a nerv, So you've met a load of racists that hate the British,Maybe you're just the arse? i went to Greece last year and they were nothing but very welcoming, even the large German tourist on the excursion trip was very friendly, i'm going again in 2 weeks so i'll look out for all this Anti British attitude you seem to find :S

I think i'll listen to Joe Stiglitz on the Euro failures,a Nobel prize- winning economist, rather than some ideological nobody.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136...joseph-stiglitz-euro-europes-uncertain-future

''The euro really didn’t start until 1999, so it didn’t even have a decade of success before the crisis. The crisis period has now been almost as long as the period before the crisis, and you have to say it’s been an utter economic failure. Because of the structure of the Eurozone, there’s nothing the individual country can do to get out of the mess except to accept depression and this horrific kind of adjustment process, which really clearly undermines society. You see it happening over and over again. If it were one country, you could say the country was the problem. But it’s not only Greece. It’s Spain, it’s Portugal.''

''
You have the system of free migration, which has exacerbated what I call “place-based debt,” some of which is very largely inherited. Young, well-educated Greeks can avoid paying back the debt by simply moving to another country'' Thanks free movement

Greek unemployment -
fredgraph.png


BEYyN9M.png



Joined the Euro in 01, yet massive long term unemployment you say? are you telling porkies here?Plenty more Graphs of all the other countries trending the same way.

Like i've said, this sort of thing turns the phrase from what can i do for my country, to what can a country do for me,Utter delusion from a fairy drifting from state to state.
What is Yanis Varoufakis view on Brexit?
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
What is Yanis Varoufakis view on Brexit?
That it was a bad decision - but then why would Greeks not want a big net-contributor in the EU that also stands up to Germany and France?

But he is a democrat and doesn't whine when he loses legitimately. He has the EU's / EC's number right and proper. He is a plain-speaking decent man, I don't like his politics but I do like him.

If you think his opinion worth asking after, presumably you think it holds water too, all of it.
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
That it was a bad decision - but then why would Greeks not want a big net-contributor in the EU that also stands up to Germany and France?

But he is a democrat and doesn't whine when he loses legitimately. He has the EU's / EC's number right and proper. He is a plain-speaking decent man, I don't like his politics but I do like him.

If you think his opinion worth asking after, presumably you think it holds water too, all of it.
I asked merely in relation to the previous poster,and his singling out of Greece,and response to our antipodean friend.It is not hard to see why they may be more accomodating to British tourists,afterall, we stuck two big fingers up to rest of the EU,which they wanted to do,but were unable.Greece has undoubtedly suffered by not being able to devalue their currency,but they should not have joined the Eurozone in the first place,or been allowed to join.They just wanted to take,and be given to,with none of their own responsibility.As for Varoufakis,i listen to what he has to say,agree with some of it,but not all,but most goes over my head.I suppose i take note of Greece a little more because one of my nieces,who is a doctor married to a consultant,British now,but born and raised as a child in Greece.
 
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stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Looks like i touched a nerv, So you've met a load of racists that hate the British,Maybe you're just the arse? i went to Greece last year and they were nothing but very welcoming, even the large German tourist on the excursion trip was very friendly, i'm going again in 2 weeks so i'll look out for all this Anti British attitude you seem to find :S

I think i'll listen to Joe Stiglitz on the Euro failures,a Nobel prize- winning economist, rather than some ideological nobody.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136...joseph-stiglitz-euro-europes-uncertain-future

''The euro really didn’t start until 1999, so it didn’t even have a decade of success before the crisis. The crisis period has now been almost as long as the period before the crisis, and you have to say it’s been an utter economic failure. Because of the structure of the Eurozone, there’s nothing the individual country can do to get out of the mess except to accept depression and this horrific kind of adjustment process, which really clearly undermines society. You see it happening over and over again. If it were one country, you could say the country was the problem. But it’s not only Greece. It’s Spain, it’s Portugal.''

''
You have the system of free migration, which has exacerbated what I call “place-based debt,” some of which is very largely inherited. Young, well-educated Greeks can avoid paying back the debt by simply moving to another country'' Thanks free movement

Greek unemployment -
fredgraph.png


BEYyN9M.png



Joined the Euro in 01, yet massive long term unemployment you say? are you telling porkies here?Plenty more Graphs of all the other countries trending the same way.

Like i've said, this sort of thing turns the phrase from what can i do for my country, to what can a country do for me,Utter delusion from a fairy drifting from state to state.
Why do you seem to think you have touched a nerve?
You should read the posts more throughly before replying then at least they would make more sense. As stated previously the different service received when it is realised you are not British is from a minority although it is a significant enough of a minority to be noticeable, there really is no need to play the "racist card" if you were female perhaps you could have also played the sexist card as well. I am assuming you are not female from your previous derogatory comments towards your better half, although you do come across as a certain part of the female anatomy.
As this thread is degrading into personal insults, a common theme with your postings, I will make this my last reply to you on this thread and carry on drifting from state to state through Europe for the rest of this holiday before returning home to NZ once more thankful for moving my family there.
 
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Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
Looks like i touched a nerv, So you've met a load of racists that hate the British,Maybe you're just the arse? i went to Greece last year and they were nothing but very welcoming, even the large German tourist on the excursion trip was very friendly, i'm going again in 2 weeks so i'll look out for all this Anti British attitude you seem to find :S

I think i'll listen to Joe Stiglitz on the Euro failures,a Nobel prize- winning economist, rather than some ideological nobody.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136...joseph-stiglitz-euro-europes-uncertain-future

''The euro really didn’t start until 1999, so it didn’t even have a decade of success before the crisis. The crisis period has now been almost as long as the period before the crisis, and you have to say it’s been an utter economic failure. Because of the structure of the Eurozone, there’s nothing the individual country can do to get out of the mess except to accept depression and this horrific kind of adjustment process, which really clearly undermines society. You see it happening over and over again. If it were one country, you could say the country was the problem. But it’s not only Greece. It’s Spain, it’s Portugal.''

''
You have the system of free migration, which has exacerbated what I call “place-based debt,” some of which is very largely inherited. Young, well-educated Greeks can avoid paying back the debt by simply moving to another country'' Thanks free movement

Greek unemployment -
fredgraph.png


BEYyN9M.png



Joined the Euro in 01, yet massive long term unemployment you say? are you telling porkies here?Plenty more Graphs of all the other countries trending the same way.

Like i've said, this sort of thing turns the phrase from what can i do for my country, to what can a country do for me,Utter delusion from a fairy drifting from state to state.
Tone it down Rob. Makes for hard reading. I agree with 90% of your points and I consider myself guilty in the past of expressing my opinions badly, especially when on 'the lash' and I've felt the need to apologise. There is a fine line between pee taking and banter and out-right angry insults. Believe me, I currently have the right to be very angry about stuff in my life but this is not the place maybe?
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Tone it down Rob. Makes for hard reading. I agree with 90% of your points and I consider myself guilty in the past of expressing my opinions badly, especially when on 'the lash' and I've felt the need to apologise. There is a fine line between pee taking and banter and out-right angry insults. Believe me, I currently have the right to be very angry about stuff in my life but this is not the place maybe?


Too late on this forum I suggest. I should think he has lost whatever credibility he had.
 

RobFZS

Member
Why do you seem to think you have touched a nerve?
You should read the posts more throughly before replying then at least they would make more sense. As stated previously the different service received when it is realised you are not British is from a minority although it is a significant enough of a minority to be noticeable, there really is no need to play the "racist card" if you were female perhaps you could have also played the sexist card as well. I am assuming you are not female from your previous derogatory comments towards your better half, although you do come across as a certain part of the female anatomy.
As this thread is degrading into personal insults, a common theme with your postings, I will make this my last reply to you on this thread and carry on drifting from state to state through Europe for the rest of this holiday before returning home to NZ once more thankful for moving my family there.
Dodging the facts as per, nothing on the data, just your poor personal bigoted view.

Flounce away, it's easier than admitting you're wrong on the numbers.
 
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RobFZS

Member
Tone it down Rob. Makes for hard reading. I agree with 90% of your points and I consider myself guilty in the past of expressing my opinions badly, especially when on 'the lash' and I've felt the need to apologise. There is a fine line between pee taking and banter and out-right angry insults. Believe me, I currently have the right to be very angry about stuff in my life but this is not the place maybe?


boo hoo such a shame, if they stuck on topic, rather than trying to accuse me of, living with my mother, being divorced, spending too much time on the internet, looks like i already won if they can't beat me in debate and thus have to turn it personal, bunch of nonces. :ROFLMAO:

The more i wind these old f**ks up the better. :love:

It's not like my posting style has changed in the past 3 years on the brexit debate has it? or have you not been paying attention enough, the reality is, the remainers don't know any better, they'll kick and scream to stay in the political union because the cognitive dissonance won't allow anything else, it's most telling this is the truth because when you dig down with the facts and the data, they move on to character attacks, which is good, as they're losing the debate on that while changes are being made under their feet.
 
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