images needed of timing gears on a perkins phaser tier 2 engine

ford 7840s

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do any body have any pictures of the front timing cover off and all gears in place, its a perkins phaser tier 2 engine and need to remove the injector pump some say you need to undo the big nut on the end of the pump some say there are four bolts you undo and remove the pump once you have it set on number one tdc and pump locked up, so say you need a 3 leg drawer to remover the gear, just wanted to know what we are getting our selfs into before we start the job
 

Farmer_Joe

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what application?

i did a phaser tier 2 in an mf 6465,

just marked timing gears i could see with paint when water pump was off and got injection pump to tdc, put pin (old drill bit) in it 4 bolts and out it comes, fairly straightforward job to be honest.
 
There both on a mf7480 but don't undo the big nut, just the four little ones after pinning at tdc. Do have pics but idle between crank, cam and fuel pump just been shoved on randomly previously so all marks 12 teeth out. Rear timing case off for water leak, can't say I like the design.
 

ACEngineering

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Drop no 1 valve on to piston and set TDC accurately is what I do. Got fed up with hassles after with timing slightly out, close enough so they run but not right, either run too hot on exhaust or harder to start and lack a little power.
 

ford 7840s

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so do not seem to bad of job, hoping we can do it with rad and fan cowling in place but there are power steering lines going to be a pain to work round, its a mcormick mc115 that just runs ruff on tick over with engine light on all the time, althou we used it the other day for 2 hrs and ran fine on tick over and light wasnt on
 

Farmer_Joe

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Drop no 1 valve on to piston and set TDC accurately is what I do. Got fed up with hassles after with timing slightly out, close enough so they run but not right, either run too hot on exhaust or harder to start and lack a little power.
As he says tweak timing before you put water pump back on, mine runs fine and starts ok but I can tell it’s slightly out as the lower solenoid runs over some times when you stop tractor( this adjust time while running so it’s over compensating) to adjust it I’m gonna have to take water pump off again…
 

Highway star

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Have you tried running it on some diesel additive first before you pull the pump off? Might save you all the hassle of removing the pump if you haven't. Best to remove one of the fuel filters and empty out the diesel and fill it up with the stuff & give it a good run, has sometimes worked for me in the paat
 

ACEngineering

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do any body have any pictures of the front timing cover off and all gears in place, its a perkins phaser tier 2 engine and need to remove the injector pump some say you need to undo the big nut on the end of the pump some say there are four bolts you undo and remove the pump once you have it set on number one tdc and pump locked up, so say you need a 3 leg drawer to remover the gear, just wanted to know what we are getting our selfs into before we start the job

Was doing both pump and timing case on this one. Valve spring release tool is home made from crap laying around, bit of rebar, some bolts and washers welded together and a random pry bar out of tool box 😂

I drop the valve on to piston, set a DTI gauge on the valve, turn crank pulley one way till needle moves and mark the pulley to engine, then turn it the other way so needle moves and mark pulley/engine again. TDC is then half way between the 2 Mark's you made.
If that makes sense! Easier when I'm doing it than trying to type it😂
 

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ford 7840s

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thanks ace for the images, still tryung to work out if its the injector pump the trouble as starter it 4 times light came on soon as starter on 5 time light out engine ticked over lovly, used for 4 hrs no light on ticked over as it should stopped it started it again light on ticking over ruff again, cleaned all the earth wires, tested the sick near injector pump just cant seem to pin point what the problem is, put a lift lift pump on it to so a strange one to know for sure what it is, i have noticed when you turn the engine off the water temp gauge stays where it was soon as you turn the key on say next day it drops back down to cold but its been doing that a wile now if i remember rite. image is after 1 hrs running no lights on ticking over 830 rpm smooth as was like this till i turned it off again then light back
 

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ACEngineering

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thanks ace for the images, still tryung to work out if its the injector pump the trouble as starter it 4 times light came on soon as starter on 5 time light out engine ticked over lovly, used for 4 hrs no light on ticked over as it should stopped it started it again light on ticking over ruff again, cleaned all the earth wires, tested the sick near injector pump just cant seem to pin point what the problem is, put a lift lift pump on it to so a strange one to know for sure what it is, i have noticed when you turn the engine off the water temp gauge stays where it was soon as you turn the key on say next day it drops back down to cold but its been doing that a wile now if i remember rite. image is after 1 hrs running no lights on ticking over 830 rpm smooth as was like this till i turned it off again then light back

Do you have a double thread going on here? Is this engine in the McCormick?

If so I think getting wires crossed as i dont think you have a phaser engine, phaser are 1000series, but you mentioned electric lift pump in other thread? Which would make it an 1100series.

Timing on that one is quite different and you will need to strip the whole timing case cover off to pin the crank and cam shaft on TDC. Also the gear is straight on to the tapered pump shaft but again no key way and there stupidly tight to get off!
 

ACEngineering

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do you know what engine codes mean for this type

I'm not a tractor man, it looks mechanical pump and as someone else said electric or fly by wire throttle.

You also didnt listen to me cause i'm sure i said if you was replacing the electric pump to get a genuine perkins one not an aftermarket copy :X3:

You need to get some one/dealer out to it that can look at the throttle/electric side cause your just stabbing in the dark at the minute and thats an expensive way to work.
 

ford 7840s

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I'm not a tractor man, it looks mechanical pump and as someone else said electric or fly by wire throttle.

You also didnt listen to me cause i'm sure i said if you was replacing the electric pump to get a genuine perkins one not an aftermarket copy :X3:

You need to get some one/dealer out to it that can look at the throttle/electric side cause your just stabbing in the dark at the minute and thats an expensive way to work.
hi i did listen to you about the pump no one had a perkins one not even perkins, there £234 inc vat and delivery but had no date when they would be in so had no choice but to try one,
 

ACEngineering

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hi i did listen to you about the pump no one had a perkins one not even perkins, there £234 inc vat and delivery but had no date when they would be in so had no choice but to try one,

There £195 rrp plus vat delivered from perkins but you are probably right about the stock. I normally keep them in my tock but i too could be waiting on them to come in? cant remember with out looking on the shelf :unsure:
 

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