Immigration, makes you think

dstudent

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I saw this documentary long time ago and it really brings home what is happening down there and how our 'wealth' and higer living standards are predicated on these countries staying poor and the suffering of billions of people. Do please take the time to watch it
 

Henarar

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the chap in the video was talking about wealth, define wealth ?
lots of folk want to be "better off" but better off than who ?
 

dstudent

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the chap in the video was talking about wealth, define wealth ?
lots of folk want to be "better off" but better off than who ?
That it s actually a good question there @Henarar , really got me thinking and I found a few definitions which I think apply here excuse the cut and paste
What is 'Wealth'
Wealth measures the value of all the assets of worth owned by a person, community, company or country. Wealth is determined by taking the total market value of all physical and intangible assets owned, then subtracting all debts. Essentially, wealth is the accumulation of resources. Specific people, organizations and nations are said to be wealthy when they are able to accumulate many valuable resources or goods.


General: Tangible or intangible thing that makes a person, family, or group better off.
  • Accounting: Value of an entity's accumulated tangible cash, land, building, etc.) and intangible (copyright, patents, trademarks, etc.) saleable possessions minus liabilities.
  • Economics: Total of all assets of an economic unit that generate currentincome or have the potential to generate future income. It includes natural resources and human capital but generally excludes money and securitiesbecause the represent only claims to wealth. Two common types of economic wealth are (1) Monetary wealth: anything that can be bought and sold, for which there is market and hence a price.
  • The market price, however, reflects only the commodity price and not necessarily its value. For example, water is essential for human existence but is usually very cheap. (2) Non-monetary wealth: things which depend on scarce resources, and for which there is demand, but are not bought and sold in a market and hence have no price. Examples are education, health, and defense.
point 2 got me a bit confused there,water my be cheap for us, but not for many people in poor countries.
We do have access to free health care and educations, many people in developing countries don t.
 
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Ashtree

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I ve brought my guy if it s ok with [email protected](y)

Good clip. The most interesting fact and truth (not a fake truth and not an alternative truth) at just over 2 minutes in.
Colonialism was the huge event in history which stole the vast majority of the wealth of the vast majority of the world and deposited it in the balance sheets of the colonial powers.
The empires may have largely receded and died. But the effects and scars continue unabated and indeed increase with the passing of time.
The colonial powers murdered millions of people during their wars of conquest and their ongoing wars to keep their colonies under their military thumbs.
People continue to die of the consequences. Poverty and society's riven with the effects on their history.
Many countries in Europe today also feel the effects of their colonial past.
You know western people today look at the terrorists from Muslim countries and societies and think "why"? Only natural. Right.

Think back in time when the invading armies and navy's invaded foreign lands and enforced their ways, and stole the natives natural resources and souls for that matter.

Those same natives Muslim or not, looked in the invading "terrorists" and said "why"? Only natural. Right.

Consequences, consequences!
 

Jackson4

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Who you comparing to the man on min wage or bill gates? If you earn 2 dollars a day you might think you are poor compared to someone on the minimum wage here, but with differing costs you may have the same disposable income?

In reality wealth is having enough to live comfortably.
 

dstudent

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Good clip. The most interesting fact and truth (not a fake truth and not an alternative truth) at just over 2 minutes in.
Colonialism was the huge event in history which stole the vast majority of the wealth of the vast majority of the world and deposited it in the balance sheets of the colonial powers.
The empires may have largely receded and died. But the effects and scars continue unabated and indeed increase with the passing of time.
The colonial powers murdered millions of people during their wars of conquest and their ongoing wars to keep their colonies under their military thumbs.
People continue to die of the consequences. Poverty and society's riven with the effects on their history.
Many countries in Europe today also feel the effects of their colonial past.
You know western people today look at the terrorists from Muslim countries and societies and think "why"? Only natural. Right.

Think back in time when the invading armies and navy's invaded foreign lands and enforced their ways, and stole the natives natural resources and souls for that matter.

Those same natives Muslim or not, looked in the invading "terrorists" and said "why"? Only natural. Right.

Consequences, consequences!
Yep. Still RWG clip is very true, however for me it s all about fair trade and the end of free trade agreements, stopping the never ending loan shark lending called aid.
Have u seen the next clip I added, that is just one company, multiply that to hundreds.
 
Those same natives Muslim or not, looked in the invading "terrorists" and said "why"? Only natural. Right.


Did they ? Are you sure ?

And here's me thinking the Islamic world was enslaving Africans for millenia ... and African tribes activily fought and sold off captives to slave traders.

I notice how you also miss out Serfs in the UK and slaves from Roman & Egyptian times to put out your poison about Colonialism.

Or how about modern slavery and people trafficking, FGM, sexism, racism and religious extremism ... all at the modern hands of Liberals.

Credit where credit is due.
 

dstudent

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Did they ? Are you sure ?

And here's me thinking the Islamic world was enslaving Africans for millenia ... and African tribes activily fought and sold off captives to slave traders.

I notice how you also miss out Serfs in the UK and slaves from Roman & Egyptian times to put out your poison about Colonialism.

Or how about modern slavery and people trafficking, FGM, sexism, racism and religious extremism ... all at the modern hands of Liberals.

Credit where credit is due.
@wanton dwarf if I did not know better, I might start thinking you r stalking me;)
 

Jackson4

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Good clip. The most interesting fact and truth (not a fake truth and not an alternative truth) at just over 2 minutes in.
Colonialism was the huge event in history which stole the vast majority of the wealth of the vast majority of the world and deposited it in the balance sheets of the colonial powers.
The empires may have largely receded and died. But the effects and scars continue unabated and indeed increase with the passing of time.
The colonial powers murdered millions of people during their wars of conquest and their ongoing wars to keep their colonies under their military thumbs.
People continue to die of the consequences. Poverty and society's riven with the effects on their history.
Many countries in Europe today also feel the effects of their colonial past.
You know western people today look at the terrorists from Muslim countries and societies and think "why"? Only natural. Right.

Think back in time when the invading armies and navy's invaded foreign lands and enforced their ways, and stole the natives natural resources and souls for that matter.

Those same natives Muslim or not, looked in the invading "terrorists" and said "why"? Only natural. Right.

Consequences, consequences!


How far back are you going with blaming colonialism? Its been happening since time began, and as for invading muslim lands, the very first thing the prophet muhammad did was begin the muslim conquests through the Syria and roman egypt, as wiki says -- the Muslim armies in the space of a hundred years were able to establish the largest pre-modern empire until that time. And then through the ages conquered africa and southern europe, byzantine etc. You really must check some facts instead of coming out with this hate ourselves Guardian type rubbish.

As for making them poorer can you give some facts as to how rich they would be without colonialism? Was all colonialism bad? many countries seem to see good and bad in their colonial past, many aspiring to emulate the ways and dress, language, schooling, parliament etc etc though they have been rid of these outside governments for half a century.
 

czechmate

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How far back are you going with blaming colonialism? Its been happening since time began, and as for invading muslim lands, the very first thing the prophet muhammad did was begin the muslim conquests through the Syria and roman egypt, as wiki says -- the Muslim armies in the space of a hundred years were able to establish the largest pre-modern empire until that time. And then through the ages conquered africa and southern europe, byzantine etc. You really must check some facts instead of coming out with this hate ourselves Guardian type rubbish.

As for making them poorer can you give some facts as to how rich they would be without colonialism? Was all colonialism bad? many countries seem to see good and bad in their colonial past, many aspiring to emulate the ways and dress, language, schooling, parliament etc etc though they have been rid of these outside governments for half a century.


Do you think the slave trade was good?
 

caveman

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And still the West....... driven by their namby, pamby, liberal, leftie governments....... keep on rapeing and pillaging emerging and third world countries.............. of all the talent, skill and brains they posses.
Do not apologise on my behalf, for evolutionary events that our ancestors took part in.
 

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