Imported lamb from NZ more carbon neutral than home produced?

[unlacedgecko]

thats what i've read somewhere....just can't remember .... IIRC they're allowed to offset against their grassland which we're not

total farce

anyhoo...i fatten most of my lambs on grain.....can't see the issue

BTW i calculated that my grass/trees/hedge sequestration more than offset my farms emissions......also.....why are we being told we have to net zero when we already are.....what govt is asking is for us to cut co2 so they can use our grass/trees/hedge sequestration for nations calculation.....tell you what...THEY CAN FECK OFF

NZ farmers can't offset their emissions within their own farms. One reason why so many are being bought up by forestry companies for carbon offset of other industries.

 

[unlacedgecko]

And poorly managed grassland and grazing practices.

Not all of NZ beef and sheep sector that great at grassland and grazing management.

 

[neilo]

well for one thing , We're ahead of them on the shedder front

Who told you that, the UK shedders? There are apparently numerous breeders over there that have developed shedding flocks.

 

[Fake it ‘til you make it]

i think its not so cold for the lmb cuts , 0 or about , as its chilled not frozen subbtle difference thats works fine if its vac packed. i suppose that (vac pack )costs extra though
beef in bigger bits and is w ay lower temp well frozen so use a bit more power from the fridge genny.

mind you theres a lot of meat in a reefer.
i cant remember if Kiwi fruit is chilled as they will carry that as well. but not in the same cont. obvs.and another subject i guess.

More Aussie beef comes here chilled than frozen now. 140 day shelf life on chilled vacuum packed, only takes 40ish days to get here

 

[spin cycle]

NZ farmers can't offset their emissions within their own farms. One reason why so many are being bought up by forestry companies for carbon offset of other industries.

i stand corrected

edit......quick google......seems they're allowed to count 'woody vegetation' on a whole industry basis......total spin

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I usually listen to the farming programme on Radio 4, I am not always on full alert though and must cinfess to the occasional lapse in concentration.

This morning I am sure that i heard that imported lamb from New Zealand can be more carbon neutral than home produced lamb.

Whatever sort of perverse calculation has been done to come to this conclusion?

It beggars belief.

Nothing new, didn't that come out 10 years ago.....

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I thought we had the NFU and other organisations to provide some balance to these simply stupid claims?

oh wait...

Might be hard to argue or disagree with real facts and reality...

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I would love to see the carbon footprint of the ships and there cold storage bringing NZ lamb here. None of it will be running on renewable energy.

How did NZ lamb get to Scotland back in the 1880's....

 

[FonterraFarmer]

what War time (and actually before) proved was that relying on overseas supplies might well be fine and dandy if they are not hindered in any way but if there's disruption to transport external politics etc , all heck can break loose.

The biggy for me though is the loss of home made employment and long held (and new ongoing ) skills base that would be lost with even not 100 % efficient home farm production iyswim. that would be such a huge and difficult to recover loss imo.
After all we are responsible for our own rural communities health and sustainability not those in NZ .

Equally cuts both ways, many other countries could also say why import UK product like machinery like we did over the last 150 odd years, just buy regionally or locally manufactured....
For us after WW2 we would have been better off getting machinery from North America than the UK.
Can we send the Landrovers back???

 

[JD-Kid]

a few years ago, Dunbia were coming round doing a questionnaire (for Sainsbury's) looking at the carbon cost of our lamb, seemed to stop, so don't know what ever became of it or where it was publicised. The inspector came a couple of times.

did the same thing here was a bit weighted to some products like high sugar grass. etc
thing it showed up is higher wintering costs and sheds lead to a higher footprint. bit higher N use in the uk
dont know why scrapped just seemed to dissapair

 

[kiwi pom]

Equally cuts both ways, many other countries could also say why import UK product like machinery like we did over the last 150 odd years, just buy regionally or locally manufactured....
For us after WW2 we would have been better off getting machinery from North America than the UK.
Can we send the Landrovers back???

Richard Western trailers and Marshall silage feeders are popular round here.
How is that environmentally friendly, sending a silage trough on wheels half way round the world?
But then Prattley handling equipment goes over there.
Its just the way the world works. When it comes to food the planet produces food to feed the population, locals fine until its not. Droughts or floods wipe local crops out you need other countries to fill the gaps or go hungry.
I suppose we could all go back to living in caves?

 

[FonterraFarmer]

what War time (and actually before) proved was that relying on overseas supplies might well be fine and dandy if they are not hindered in any way but if there's disruption to transport external politics etc , all heck can break loose.

The biggy for me though is the loss of home made employment and long held (and new ongoing ) skills base that would be lost with even not 100 % efficient home farm production iyswim. that would be such a huge and difficult to recover loss imo.
After all we are responsible for our own rural communities health and sustainability not those in NZ .

Equally cuts both ways, many other countries could also say why import UK product like machinery like we did over the last 150 odd years, just buy regionally or locally manufactured....
For us after WW2 we would have been better off getting machinery from North America than the UK.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Richard Western trailers and Marshall silage feeders are popular round here.
How is that environmentally friendly, sending a silage trough on wheels half way round the world?
But then Prattley handling equipment goes over there.
Its just the way the world works. When it comes to food the planet produces food to feed the population, locals fine until its not. Droughts or floods wipe local crops out you need other countries to fill the gaps or go hungry.
I suppose we could all go back to living in caves?

Caves??? Are you mad, don't tell Megan Woods, she might think it's a good idea!!!

 

[Jimdog1]

How did NZ lamb get to Scotland back in the 1880's....

I have no problem with trade, no problem with nz lamb. I do have a problem with the current obsession of people telling me how my production methods are killing the planet and that it is more sustainable to bring the same product from the other side of the world.

 

[Bury the Trash]

How did NZ lamb get to Scotland back in the 1880's....

all been said before see post 39

 

[Bury the Trash]

Equally cuts both ways, many other countries could also say why import UK product like machinery like we did over the last 150 odd years, just buy regionally or locally manufactured....
For us after WW2 we would have been better off getting machinery from North America than the UK.
Can we send the Landrovers back???

well if you want to get petty about it through choice i bought Aligator not prattley.
mind you there will be a bit of NZ sheep genetics here though ,

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Richard Western trailers and Marshall silage feeders are popular round here.
How is that environmentally friendly, sending a silage trough on wheels half way round the world?
But then Prattley handling equipment goes over there.
Its just the way the world works. When it comes to food the planet produces food to feed the population, locals fine until its not. Droughts or floods wipe local crops out you need other countries to fill the gaps or go hungry.
I suppose we could all go back to living in caves?

I have Kiwitech fencing, swandri jumper, cdax weedwiper and bettercraft waterproofs, mind you how much of that is made in China now?

 

[Hilly]

Global warming , climate change , carbon , carbon credits , the amount of lies is going to discredit the whole thing and the will of the people will be lost , at the moment it’s just a race to the money by scumbags capitalising on the demise of the world.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

what War time (and actually before) proved was that relying on overseas supplies might well be fine and dandy if they are not hindered in any way but if there's disruption to transport external politics etc , all heck can break loose.

The biggy for me though is the loss of home made employment and long held (and new ongoing ) skills base that would be lost with even not 100 % efficient home farm production iyswim. that would be such a huge and difficult to recover loss imo.
After all we are responsible for our own rural communities health and sustainability not those in NZ .

I totally agree.
Even the Covid lockdown kinda proved the fatal flaw in relying overly on "stuff coming in", to me.

Or, stuff going out!

 

[Bury the Trash]

I totally agree.
Even the Covid lockdown kinda proved the fatal flaw in relying overly on "stuff coming in", to me.

Or, stuff going out!

and Brexit but probably its best to get in to them cans of worms