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Agrispeed

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Those hydrants all have a push valve in them, so you can either put a micro on top or push a 25mm pipe on and get water for a portable. The lines are just laid on the surface and the bit nearest the trough is formed with a "stamp" and post driver; it has a plug the size of the micro and a couple of wings to cut the slot for the pipe to lie in. Quite similar to plasson fittings otherwise.

The only thing I would watch with the micros is that the float valve tends to weap after a few months. Easy and cheap enough to fix on one above ground but could be quite irritating.

Also in my experience it pays to double, double check the kiwitech water fittings as doing them up tight can be a bit hit and miss. Once they are tight though, they do seem reasonably reliable.

Have just checked out the water troughs and couplers. Can't yet see how they work, but they look proper handy.

I had one with the heifers when you came here, and a big one with the cows. They are really excellent. (y)
 

onesiedale

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The Myth of Fertilizer
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We’re told fertilizers are simple; when a crop grows, it draws nutrients from the soil, these nutrients are then removed when you harvest a crop or sell the milk from your goat or take steers to the sales. At least that’s what has been taught to producers and agronomists since Liebig first did his NPK plant test in the 19th century.
Certainly, there is ample evidence for this in the field. Without fertilizer many hay producers see yields drop, and bare soil increase every year; dairy farmers produce less milk; and ranchers see reduced carrying capacities. It all makes logical sense. Doesn’t it?Clean calculations bring us a sense of security, something we can control and give people peace of mind. And these calculations stand true in conventional agriculture, 40 kg of P is removed by crops, so 40 kg must be replaced. An agronomist can predict yield based on an addition of 200kg of N – that’s as long as being outside doesn’t intervene with drought, hail, insects or disease. Many credit NPK fertilizers for the great leaps forward from the Green Revolution last century. However, that’s not the whole story, yield responses were due to several factors including irrigation, new cultivars, machinery and access to credit. Over 70% of new high yielding varieties of rice and wheat were bred enabling global yields to double.The benefits to producers have been a mixed bag, as these growing methods demand more investment into infrastructure, machinery and land. Over time input prices rose, and the return on products which now flooded markets, dropped. Many food producers are no more profitable per acre than they were 100 years ago. As a result, many producers had to “get big or go home”, and their kids left to the cities. In the US over 73% of smaller rural communities are shrinking as more people leave than arrive, a pattern mirrored across the developed world. Debt and stress are an everyday occurrence for many working on the land.



I recently presented to 30 ‘conventional’ cropping operators. One topic raised was, “who wants to see their kids take over the farm?” The resounding response was…a long silence. Then into the void a farmer spoke up, “I’m sick of this stress, of the debt, and the increasing inputs. Why would I want to hand this over to my kids?” Times like these make me reflect on the profound positive difference regenerative land systems can make in people’s lives. We’re not just talking soil, we’re talking about a revolution that impacts on every aspect of rural life. And its time is now.

If you put all of these pieces together, the Green Revolution has not delivered on its promises to producers. It is however delivering for the banks, supply and chemical companies; they come out laughing whichever way the dice land. The FAO (Food and Agriculture Organisation) is certain that modern farming has increased the risks for food producers, with market volatility and increasing climactic unpredictability. And farming is a risky business. Nature is fickle mistress; as all who work on the land know. How to mitigate risk is the greatest challenge for producers today.

I once had the privilege to hear a powerful presentation by soil scientist Dr Daniel Hillel. In 2012 he received the World Food Prize for developing a method termed “micro-irrigation agriculture” which increases water efficiencies in arid climates. He shared his story of camping with Bedouin in the Arab desert, he overheard an elder asking his students what 1+1 equals. Their answers were more varied than the stock standard “2” that western children are raised to answer. One child replied thoughtfully; “well, if it’s one nanny goat and one billy, then 1 plus 1 could be 3 or 4”.

When working with biological systems, 1+1 rarely equals 2. We often see surprising results as soil systems function again, as they flocculate (open-up), roots penetrate deeper, nutrient cycles turn and the carbon buffer builds.

There are multiple factors involved in building topsoil, one driver happens from the top down, with biological activity, and the other happens bottom-up through chemical and microbial mineralization. These soil building processes can dramatically speed up, making previously unavailable ‘locked-up’, raw mineral materials available to crops. One NZ high country station we’ve worked with saw the equivalent lifts of 1500 kg/Ha (1300 lb/Ac) in calcium in just one year across treated areas on the farm. That’s with no additions of calcium. Dr David Johnson (NMSU), Col Seis, the Haggerty’s, Gabe Brown (and many others) are measuring plant-available nutrient increases from 200 to over 1000% higher, just through stimulating this microbial mineralization process. It is how soils are meant to function; all without the need for external inputs. Consider, did a fertilizer truck follow the bison around?

I’m not saying the natural cycles are closed however, they not. We live in an interconnected world. The global P cycle is driven by organic inputs from animals like birds, bears, buffalo and wind. In 2015 NASA discovered that the Sahara was delivering phosphate dust to the Amazon, at about the same rate it was losing from erosion; around 22,000 T of the stuff every year. In many regions collapses in biodiversity are leading to catastrophic declines in ecosystem health. New Zealand forests for instance, once dependent upon regular seabird guano, are now hungry for P and diseases are running rampant. Bears in North America were significant contributors of nutrients, including N and P from their rich salmon diets, apparently yes, they do poo in the woods.

No man, or woman, is an island. Encouraging biodiversity, brings increased nutrients from outside the farm gate. A recent study in Nature concluded that seabirds are full of crap (at least that’s how I interpreted the papers title), with excrement making a global contribution to over 1.3 billion pounds of N and 218 million pounds of P. With birds and insects in our agricultural lands in rapid decline, their losses are having a broader impact on nutrient cycling. Insects are the “nitrogen thieves” in any ecosystem and when they poop and die they may be contributing as much as 40kg / N/ Ha! In an organic form readily available when plants need it. Unfortunately scientists are estimating we’re in the middle of a catastrophic insect extinction event, how much potential N have you lost or gained by encouraging insect diversity?

Our modern practices which create monocultural deserts are putting the costs back onto farmers, society and the wider environment. It’s not a lack of fertilizer that drives profit and resilience, it’s diversity. Diversity which is enhanced by diverse microbial communities, plant rooting systems, insects, birds, livestock and diverse crops. How can you increase the diversity above and below-ground? It’s well overtime for use to step away from 19th century extractive thinking into the 21st century of regeneration.

Written by: Nicole Masters 14th February 2019
Image by:Kim Deans, Linnburn Station
So, what's the best way to wean our grassland off fertilizer and cut out the N altogether?
Do we choose the most appropriate paddocks first?
Do we just reduce N use over the whole platform?
Do we just stop applying N?
Do we just stop, on say half the platform and reduce the rest slowly?

We have a herd of cows just started calving and they're wanting plenty of lush spring grass to go at. They don't want to be disappointed.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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So, what's the best way to wean our grassland off fertilizer and cut out the N altogether?
Do we choose the most appropriate paddocks first?
Do we just reduce N use over the whole platform?
Do we just stop applying N?
Do we just stop, on say half the platform and reduce the rest slowly?

We have a herd of cows just started calving and they're wanting plenty of lush spring grass to go at. They don't want to be disappointed.
I suspect going full "cold turkey" will see a large drop in production in year 1, maybe 2 & 3 as well, until the soil biology picks up. Easier for us as we're lightly stocked and have never been big N users.
 

Kiwi Pete

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So, what's the best way to wean our grassland off fertilizer and cut out the N altogether?
Do we choose the most appropriate paddocks first?
Do we just reduce N use over the whole platform?
Do we just stop applying N?
Do we just stop, on say half the platform and reduce the rest slowly?

We have a herd of cows just started calving and they're wanting plenty of lush spring grass to go at. They don't want to be disappointed.
Definitely don't go "cold turkey"

I would recommend the same reduction recipe as grazing: put half on this time, half of what's left, then half of what's left.... N is a tricky one as the whole biome becomes reliant on it, and it appears to alter the balances of nearly every part of it.

It's completely essential, just not completely essential to buy yourself less of it than your soil and legumes can supply; it needs to be wanting N for this rebalancing to occur.

I guess its a little like a soil brexit, few things will change until they have to
 

Karliboy

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I’ve been thinking about the withdrawl of N (I only get something like a 20-10-10)in my better mowing land and was considering cold turkey but don’t think I will now, maybe drop to 50% of the norm over 2 or 3 dressings as I also have my clover to throw on before long to so it should help let that get established too.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I suspect going full "cold turkey" will see a large drop in production in year 1, maybe 2 & 3 as well, until the soil biology picks up. Easier for us as we're lightly stocked and have never been big N users.
Great minds.. the grazing parameters also make a huge difference.
I was invited to visit a large (5000 cows, 3 50-60 point rotaries) dairy undergoing organic transition.
They were still putting on urea up until the cutoff date, and intending to graze what they couldn't top down to 1400-1500kgDM/ha and go in at 2400kg .

I think my response may not have gone down too well :ROFLMAO:


You can still apply 30 units/ha/year without any damage, so long as its only 5 or 6 at a time.
 

Karliboy

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I’ve been quiet at work so studying how I’m going to split my fields up it isn’t pretty with regards to where I can get water from.
The water areas in blue are going to get some grief but it’s only a few meters in each field thankfully
I’m thinking/aiming for around 30 to 40 days grazing on my better land depending on covers and stock numbers but all easily adjustable. plus I have all my ruff land to go at which depending on how my overseeding takes and weather etc that’s a minimum of another 30 days even based on how it used to grow.

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Can’t use electric in the green stripes area it to overgrown
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How many cattle on your 0.1h padocks each move @Kiwi Pete ?
 

bitwrx

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The only thing I would watch with the micros is that the float valve tends to weap after a few months. Easy and cheap enough to fix on one above ground but could be quite irritating.

Also in my experience it pays to double, double check the kiwitech water fittings as doing them up tight can be a bit hit and miss. Once they are tight though, they do seem reasonably reliable.



I had one with the heifers when you came here, and a big one with the cows. They are really excellent. (y)
Yeh, was quite taken with portable water, just didn't realise about the dry break things.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I’ve been quiet at work so studying how I’m going to split my fields up it isn’t pretty with regards to where I can get water from.
The water areas in blue are going to get some grief but it’s only a few meters in each field thankfully
I’m thinking/aiming for around 30 to 40 days grazing on my better land depending on covers and stock numbers but all easily adjustable. plus I have all my ruff land to go at which depending on how my overseeding takes and weather etc that’s a minimum of another 30 days even based on how it used to grow.

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How many cattle on your 0.1h padocks each move @Kiwi Pete ?
38-40.
I have one guy who hurt his shoulder and my shorthorn looking guy out with the heifers, and the rest are in the cells on two cells per 24h, calves and sheep are on a similar allocation but basically fenced in the last lane of each paddock so they have water.
Less than 40 cattle per mob seems ideal as they don't fight.
 

Agrispeed

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Yeh, was quite taken with portable water, just didn't realise about the dry break things.

I stopped using them. I had some hozelock(?) ones but they were crap. I haven't tried the kiwitech ones in fairness, but a geka coupling or a camlock is cheaper and you can get the parts and spares easily, especially as I run one pipe for most of the youngstock grazing, rather than a main with off takes. It's much easier to add and remove sections with standardised, strong couplings. High pressure and acidic borehole water doesn't help though.
 
I’ve been quiet at work so studying how I’m going to split my fields up it isn’t pretty with regards to where I can get water from.
The water areas in blue are going to get some grief but it’s only a few meters in each field thankfully
I’m thinking/aiming for around 30 to 40 days grazing on my better land depending on covers and stock numbers but all easily adjustable. plus I have all my ruff land to go at which depending on how my overseeding takes and weather etc that’s a minimum of another 30 days even based on how it used to grow.

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How many cattle on your 0.1h padocks each move @Kiwi Pete ?

I think you would soon get fed up of the pizza slice grazing. You'd lose productivity in the narrow bits.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I am still using standard water fittings and generally doing things the hard way, still easy for me but my wife says it is a pain

Especially tipping out the trough

The idea is that every "job" brings the idea of spending $20k on the proper infrastructure a little bit closer :sneaky: my ideas suck so I have sowed the seed and am currently standing back waiting for it to be "our idea" - and then we will get to it :)
 

Kiwi Pete

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I think you would soon get fed up of the pizza slice grazing. You'd lose productivity in the narrow bits.
Agreed, they tend to have really uneven impact on those high-traffic areas, in my experience.
We did that in our "hospital paddock" on the dairy farm and although it was ideal for the staff, it wasn't so ideal for the paddock.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Our guests from Northumberland were kind enough to bring some rain with them, we may get 6 or 8 mm if it keeps going (y) so the bulls have an extra cell to run back onto just in case.
Note the brown bit in the bottom photo, caused by tipping out a sackful of fresh kelp that I grabbed while opening a gate.

A land drain comes out there so I wanted more impact to help break the cap, which they seem to have done nicely. They didn't make bare soil, but covered it up nicely with dung and residue - a fair bit of residue in here.
 

hendrebc

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But if it's the pizza slice way is the only way it's better than nothing and not doing it at all.
I'll have to do something similar here just to get started and I'll improve things as I go. Not sure how though without spending £££ on pumps and a lot of pipes. There's 500+ foot of rise from the yard or any stream to the top fields. I have one 50 acre block that only has a ditch cutting the corner in one place and an unreliable drain in another corner. And another 60 acres with only unreliable drains in the corners. And several fields with no water at all dotted around the place. That's why we have never had much in the way of cattle here too much trouble and expense getting water to places. It will be a full techno system with portable water some day though :cool:
 

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