"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

[Farmer Roy]

Poor old forum is getting a bit depressing these days, like @The Ruminant I devote a fair bit less time to it lately because of the same dreary repetitive bullshìt - it's not you guys I've lost interest in; merely the negative, Eeyorish attitude that pervades the rest of the outfit.

I remembered just last week... when I was dealing with my alcoholism, I went to one AA meeting and realised that if I kept going back I would end up just like those poor sods - so I never went along again and managed my booze habit out by myself.

Social media seems to now be having a similar effect - I seem to be getting more enjoyment from looking at old grass turning green than I do discussing all the whys and what-if-only-we-coulds..

so don't you apologise for what you think is off-topic, it's all interconnected and real and relevant

The only 2 threads I ALWAYS look at are this one and Roy's.

@martian posts some good stuff as well but it tends to get shouty after a while. (Not his fault).

I just had a quick look at @Clive 's "book" thread.
FFS - this really is a sad & miserable place isn't it. If this is truly representative, then U.K. Ag really deserves to collapse
I just can't believe the attitudes expressed, these sort of mindsets are just completely outside of my own agricultural experiences I find it hard to believe it's not just some sick joke or lame stereotype. Unfortunately, it appears to be real

I think I'll just retreat back out of here into the reality of a more open & vibrant agricultural industry I'm familiar with

See ya . . .

 

[Clive]

I just had a quick look at @Clive 's "book" thread.
FFS - this really is a sad & miserable place isn't it. If this is truly representative, then U.K. Ag really deserves to collapse
I just can't believe the attitudes expressed, these sort of mindsets are just completely outside of my own agricultural experiences I find it hard to believe it's not just some sick joke or lame stereotype. Unfortunately, it appears to be real

I think I'll just retreat back out of here into the reality of a more open & vibrant agricultural industry I'm familiar with

See ya . . .

I agree with your post but please keep up your injection of sanity / reality on here - it’s a breath of fresh air compared to the average Uk farmer

It’s not their fault - they are just the product of a supply trade that has brainwashed them for 50 years - slowly but surely the worm is turning here however

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I agree with your post but please keep up your injection of sanity / reality on here - it’s a breath of fresh air compared to the average Uk farmer

It’s not their fault - they are just the product of a supply trade that has brainwashed them for 50 years - slowly but surely the worm is turning here however

Can you enlighten me on "the contents of your fridge" please Clive?
I am not on Twitter - just wondering on how you are going to apply your live culture - we ran some field trials with some "primordial soups" last year and one thing that was very apparent was that they do NOT like high pressures (pumps, small nozzles, strainers) and prefer to be mixed and applied via gravity alone - as you'd expect!

I was equally brainwashed during the 80's, but in an opposite direction - the dry summer of 88 put paid to many claims of "guaranteed returns" on inputs it put paid to a few local farmers efforts to stay afloat, as well.

Keep up the good fight!

 

[Farmer Roy]

I agree with your post but please keep up your injection of sanity / reality on here - it’s a breath of fresh air compared to the average Uk farmer

It’s not their fault - they are just the product of a supply trade that has brainwashed them for 50 years - slowly but surely the worm is turning here however

That brain washing & subsidy driven existence is very evident in some . . .

 

[Clive]

Can you enlighten me on "the contents of your fridge" please Clive?
I am not on Twitter - just wondering on how you are going to apply your live culture - we ran some field trials with some "primordial soups" last year and one thing that was very apparent was that they do NOT like high pressures (pumps, small nozzles, strainers) and prefer to be mixed and applied via gravity alone - as you'd expect!

I was equally brainwashed during the 80's, but in an opposite direction - the dry summer of 88 put paid to many claims of "guaranteed returns" on inputs it put paid to a few local farmers efforts to stay afloat, as well.

Keep up the good fight!

It’s a trail we are running of a live 7 species biological complex called Biofil, it’s the product of some EU funded research in Hungry that sound quite credible and has good independent trial data in other eu countries

It’s applied in water on the drill in the slot with the seed

No idea how well it might work but worth testing

 

[Kiwi Pete]

It’s a trail we are running of a live 7 species biological complex called Biofil, it’s the product of some EU funded research in Hungry that sound quite credible and has good independent trial data in other eu countries

It’s applied in water on the drill in the slot with the seed

No idea how well it might work but worth testing

You don't know without trying - all that in vitro tests prove is that plants can grow in glass tubes!

 

[Doc]

Bugger me. Only just caught up. It’s taken a couple of months. Good stuff to think about. Thanks.
You think it tough on the TFF @Farmer Roy, you want to try living here. The reception to new ideas or any lateral thinking is frustratingly poor.
I don’t want to politicise this thread but there is a large financial comfort blanket (SFP, IHT, Land price, non Ag building/development value) which makes it easier to just keep ticking along. I know I’m generalising and these things aren’t entirely unique to the UK but I think they are significant in what you read.
My daughters long term boyfriends Father is a largish arable farmer in mid 50’s. He says he has had the best of it: prices, chems that worked, machinery on low interest rates, land sale for development and barn conversions, SFP etc. He knows the writing is on the wall but freely admits he isn’t too bothered and can afford not to be.
Now, back to regen Ag and normal service resume.

 

[jonnyjon]

Many are already using the environmental aspect AGAINST red meat consumption & production, as an alternative to the animal welfare argument ( in some forms of production they would be correct ), however, you are right, producers of grass fed / pasture raised protein should really be pushing their environmental credentials
I see this happening here & in Notth America, but are growers in U.K. / EU doing the same & being pro active with social media ?

No, the vegan nutters are wining the media war hands down with their misguided nonsense

 

[Kevtherev]

Bugger me. Only just caught up. It’s taken a couple of months. Good stuff to think about. Thanks.
You think it tough on the TFF @Farmer Roy, you want to try living here. The reception to new ideas or any lateral thinking is frustratingly poor.
I don’t want to politicise this thread but there is a large financial comfort blanket (SFP, IHT, Land price, non Ag building/development value) which makes it easier to just keep ticking along. I know I’m generalising and these things aren’t entirely unique to the UK but I think they are significant in what you read.
My daughters long term boyfriends Father is a largish arable farmer in mid 50’s. He says he has had the best of it: prices, chems that worked, machinery on low interest rates, land sale for development and barn conversions, SFP etc. He knows the writing is on the wall but freely admits he isn’t too bothered and can afford not to be.
Now, back to regen Ag and normal service resume.

And you mustn’t mention anything outside conventional high input fert and spray agriculture as you are deemed an eeejit.

 

[Samcowman]

no it bloody well should not be moved to 6 months, its a load of fecking crap and any creep of restrictions should be resisted at all turns, FA is run by the wrong people for the wrong reasons and is no/very little benefit to those that pay for it
not all non FA farms are sh!t hole by a bloody long chalk and with the same plenty of FA farms are IMO anyway
same opinion of organic when you see how SOME of its done all this organic is better for the animals full stop is a total crock of sh!t

Calm down dear!!! I never said non FA farms are all dumps. From seeing your cattle I know yours aren’t. But you have been to market and seen some of the shite in there some of it will be from FA farms as well. So if you ask Joe Bloggs on the street what they think FA covers they would be surprised to know that the animal only needs to spend its last 90 days on an assured farm and would think that it should be a lot longer if not whole life
I thought you might get hot under the collar about this.

 

[Ukjay]

And you mustn’t mention anything outside conventional high input fert and spray agriculture as you are deemed an eeejit.

Oor simply a tw@ that is only a pretentious theorist player

 

[Clive]

Can you enlighten me on "the contents of your fridge" please Clive?
I am not on Twitter - just wondering on how you are going to apply your live culture - we ran some field trials with some "primordial soups" last year and one thing that was very apparent was that they do NOT like high pressures (pumps, small nozzles, strainers) and prefer to be mixed and applied via gravity alone - as you'd expect!

I was equally brainwashed during the 80's, but in an opposite direction - the dry summer of 88 put paid to many claims of "guaranteed returns" on inputs it put paid to a few local farmers efforts to stay afloat, as well.

Keep up the good fight!

This is the product

https://www.marketplace.farm/?subca...ecurity_hash=ae123bfa87a2ad4918f3f2cb6ce3b6e9

 

[Henarar]

I just had a quick look at @Clive 's "book" thread.
FFS - this really is a sad & miserable place isn't it. If this is truly representative, then U.K. Ag really deserves to collapse
I just can't believe the attitudes expressed, these sort of mindsets are just completely outside of my own agricultural experiences I find it hard to believe it's not just some sick joke or lame stereotype. Unfortunately, it appears to be real

I think I'll just retreat back out of here into the reality of a more open & vibrant agricultural industry I'm familiar with

See ya . . .

most of that was simply because of who started the thread

 

[Kiwi Pete]

No, the vegan nutters are wining the media war hands down with their misguided nonsense

I guess that alone is reasonably indicative of what a shambolic 'united front' farmers are.
I know it's only a forum but these guys would just about get into a scrap over which sunhat to wear, let alone fact

Ploughs are good for the soil, pesticides are inert and saving the planet - if you want a demo of deeply flawed thinking, then you don't need to go to Mumsnet

 

[Blaithin]

Human nature is human nature. You don’t have to be a conventional farmer to think you’re right about everything.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

most of that was simply because of who started the thread

Correct, again, there are so many with a grudge!
I suppose I appear to have the odd grudge against other members but I always give them the time to explain their point of view before I question it or put my POV across, if they started to talk more sense then I'd agree with them but they don't and so I don't.
But you do need to know your stuff before you speak, the irony of some of these habitual ploughmen riding @Clive for being on a plane obviously have no idea how much carbon they oxidise when they plough an acre
but it's more than a few kgs.

Largely it comes down to what we tell ourself, while many may settle for a "garbage in, garbage out" brain I wouldn't be comfortable at all putting my name to some of the outright that farmers choose to believe.
They have lost the battle against the vegan or the lefty-greeny before they even show up, if they don't intimately know their own business

It's apparent many do not

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Human nature is human nature. You don’t have to be a conventional farmer to think you’re right about everything.

Agreed
It's interesting to discover how much "human nature" can change when we are on the net.

We tend to blame our flaws on our nature, rather than the other way around - it's almost seen as an excuse not to work on our "self" sometimes?

I dislike excuses, I can handle reasons better!
I think being a parent soon makes you sick of adults behaving like children

 

[CornishTone]

I only read the first few and last few pages but... wow!!! There are some haters out there, and all over a book recommendation. Wow!

 

[Crofter64]

chap not far away got a tyre in the TMR it was chopped and mixed in very nicely so they all got some

My friend fell into the TMR - they never found anything for the funeral. Its been rough on the whole community.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

My friend fell into the TMR - they never found anything for the funeral. Its been rough on the whole community.

Can't like that...