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"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Discussion in 'Holistic Farming' started by Kiwi Pete, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. @Kiwi Pete i think it was this thread - anyway, somewhere you asked me what would come up if it rained ?
    I had a water leak here, this is the only thing that came up
    Noogoora Burrs - introduced from South America in the late 1800's ( in hay / forage / seed imported then due to a massive drought, surprise suprise !! Hence our very tight quarantine / bio security laws now )
    I had to get this trough operational again, even though I don't have any stock, just so the Roos & birds & insects can have a drink, as there is no surface water anywhere . . .

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  2. The like is for giving the wildlife a drink, not the Burrs being the only thing to come up :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    looks pretty desolate there Roy, we moan about the wet but perhaps we should shut up
     
  4. Just on the bio security thing, nearly all of our bad or nasty ( ie burrs, spines, sharp spiky bits ) "weeds" were introduced in hay / feed etc imported from South America or Southern Africa during a major drought in the late 1800's
     
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  5. It's a harsh land . . .
    We are either in drought
    Recovering from drought
    Preparing for drought

    Or, we are flooded :)

    Moisture conservation is at the forefront of every management decision

    It just comes with the territory :)
     
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  6. Have a look at the last page or so of my " random thoughts "

    Doesn't matter where we are, one thing we all have in common is bad weather . . .

    This is why I drink :)
     
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  7. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    What you think drink will change it :ROFLMAO:
     
  8. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    I spose it's more difficult growing crops to conserve moisture
    Perhaps some of it should be grassland or at least some of the time ?
     
  9. that's why we have our "long fallow" periods between crops, to build up moisture, & zero till to conserve it

    although, you may be right about grassland. Along with my increasing dissatisfaction with chemical & synthetic fert use, maybe I am better off changing to livestock & planned holistic grazing, following more regenerative farming practices

    I will admit, I'm struggling at the moment, Im losing my faith in our "conventional" high input chemical dependent agriculture, almost like a committed Christian who starts questioning " is there a God ? ". Its real big for me, not sure where I'll end up . . .

    but yes, having a real " crisis of faith " when it comes to farming . . .
     
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  10. Would you would need moisture to plant grass or would it just grow eventually as a "weed" or just graze whatever is there?
     
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  11. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    "you can't go again the weather" as Dad use to say

    a chap down the road use to try growing corn on land much like ours, it was ok for a year or so then it just seemed to end up with loads of grass in it, he said to us one day "it wants to grow grass it likes growing grass and who are we to defy it" always stuck with me that although it was 25 years or so ago
     
  12. Had to stop at a machinery dealer today because the tractor isnt running right. Anyway i do what i usually do and pick up a couple of leaflets on the way out and picked up one for a roller type aerator. Found this pie chart quite interesting. Only a machinery manufacturer would say 5% organic matter is ideal :rolleyes: 15263807739411124774714.jpg
     
  13. Green Grass

    Green Grass Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    Or an agronomist. Asked for OM% in some soil tests this spring. He told me not to bother as it always comes back above 5 in long term grass. Somebody else got the commission. Range was 6-12%. I will target lower ones with fym then standing hay for far off dry cows.
     
  14. Bleddy agronomists again! No idea why anyone bothers with them really.

    All our soil samples include organic carbon, among many other things. Not sure how you can make informed management decisions without all the information at hand.

    These are the test packages we use...
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  15. Nithing wrong with agronomists or even salepeople we all need them at some point. As long as they arent the pushy type who want to sell you something wether you need it or not and csnt take a hint and have to be told to fudge off instead of just leaving a csrd and maybe a catalogue :rolleyes:
     
  16. Sheila Cooke

    Sheila Cooke Member

    I don't know if I can post a Vimeo here, but I'll give it a try. This is a video you won't find on Youtube.

    The video is called, "Understanding Brittleness to Better Read Your Land". Brittleness is one of four key insights in Holistic Management. The reason Brittleness matters is because tools often have different outcomes depending on where the land is on the Brittleness scale.

    I hope it works for you.

     
  17. yes, Vimeo clips work here, ive posted a few previously

    when I first heard about the ' brittleness scale ' it was like a lightbulb moment for me
     
  18. if I was to go down that route, I doubt if id plant any ' grass ' as such. Money would be very tight, so I'd be letting nature do most of the work. No point planting anything ( or buying any stock ) without moisture, but when it comes I would plant something cheap & bulky, say oats ( cool season, or maybe sorghum / millet warm season ), just to get some groundcover, some bulk, some feed & to kickstart the biology, then I'd just use hooves mouths & electric wire to do the rest. If you walk away from this country & do nothing, the native grasses come back & tend to dominate again in 10 - 15 years - once all the succession & pioneer species ( weeds ) have done their thing. That can be sped up by careful grazing management. Oats are a very good plant here & could potentially be direct drilled into pastures if needed to temporarily bulk them up, or potentially introduce a few relatively cheap hard seeded legume plants such as vetch, clover etc or even annual summer legumes like cow peas
    Tropical grasses are very popular here but very expensive & establishment can be very difficult if you don't get favourable damp weather conditions after planting. I have seen many people put a lot of money into grass / pasture seeds without any guarantee of success
     
  19. Treg

    Treg Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    Some really good messages in there @Sheila Cooke , it's really what ought to be taught at Agricultural colleges.
    One of the speakers said about looking at the whole picture & reading the land, what a simple message for youngsters coming into Agriculture to understand.
     
  20. Really enjoyed both those videos. Great explanation of the concept of Brittleness and great for me be able to visualise going, literally, from one end of the scale to the other. Very interesting!
     

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