"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
I know what you mean, too.

Roy loves to remind us of the "buggy whips" analogy, and in this respect there's a real need for us to make sure our business model is current and up to date... so many are farming for cheap labour and fuel that no longer exist, their model is outdated but the important bit is that they aren't changing anything important.

It's quite disturbing when you look at "production agriculture" as a whole, because so much of it hangs in the balance, fighting a war it really can't win - because the tools that make it work are behind us... cheap labour, cheap steel, cheap fuel and a predictably stable climate.
And also a huge chunk of chemistry, no longer works or is deemed unacceptable.

None of those things will ever really return, so IMO a good business coach would suggest to look for better tools, or better ways to use the old tools?
The forum would simply get defensive, and blame everyone from the customer to the NFU along the way - blame the Irish beef producers, the kiwi sheepshaggers, basically do nothing that makes a difference ?
Don't forget blaming the public for paying too little for their food :rolleyes:
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Don't forget blaming the public for paying too little for their food :rolleyes:
Maybe it's because the public need to buy 8 oranges to get the same vit. C their grandparents got from each orange?

Volume aint the answer, if it was the answer then farmers today would be reaching unprecedented levels of financial security and the public would be the healthiest and happiest generation yet.

I don't see it.
 

bitwrx

Member
Ah. Shoulda known that (having passed through the town of Salers twice in my last two holidays).

Gratuitous holiday snaps:
Salers, somewhere in the Aveyron (probably)
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Aubracs in Laguiole (on their way to Salon d'agriculture in 2018)
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Poor form self-quoting, I know but...

Who can guess where I am on my hols this year?
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Soorry for poor resolution, they were far away. (Or were they very small? I couldn't really tell.)
 

bitwrx

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Gloucester?
Like your thinking, but no.
Looks a bit French to me - Normandy?
Half right.
Wild guess Alsace, otherwise Cork
Wild guess is pretty much bingo!
Was in the Vosges, the mountains in the/to the west of Alsace. Apparently, they're Vosgiennes.
Would've asked a local farmer, but as with most of rural France, there was no f**ker anywhere to be seen. I swear the cattle farm themselves over here!
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
They were behind a temporary wire, now you come to mention it. And the perimiter fence had springs in it à la Technograzing.
Water availability seemed to be the limiting factor, as usual.
It usually is limiting... wintertime is great, I find I can get away with giving cattle the odd quick move to a cell without water and leapfrog it ahead of them, and they hardly make a bee-line for it when they have it.
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or, I just fill a long toboggan type trough that I use for seaweed with water, and put that out for them. Stacked them on the roadside for a couple of hours yesterday
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and then away.
I'd planned to graze them at the start of the month but the snow modified the plan for me. Will hopefully get all 3 sections grazed during the week.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Yeah, sure, I may even make it down to the beach this weekend for a wee gather, and I'll get some photos.

(it's slimy as can be once you've had it wet again, and the last thing you want to do with those hands is pick up the phone or smoke ?
Gave up smoking cigarettes so ..

I really want to sun-dry more of it as I reckon an electric shredder/chipper would handle it OK in that state - I usually battle away at it with a sharp Victorinox skinning knife and pre-cut it onto an old bit of concrete path, then use an old pushmower (I stand on it, and The Boy works the mower).

Fires it into the catcher pretty well, but I think it would just about be better for sheep if it was properly chopped up (you could always soak it to juicy it up again).
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It's just one of these lightweight plastic troughs, I like it because I can tow it with the 2 wheeler, I have about 2 metres of dog chain on it in a loop which means I can stick it over my shoulder, drag it full of electric fencing stuff, and move all my stuff from paddock to paddock without turning a key or getting too pudgy :cool:
 
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holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
Yeah, sure, I may even make it down to the beach this weekend for a wee gather, and I'll get some photos.

(it's slimy as can be once you've had it wet again, and the last thing you want to do with those hands is pick up the phone or smoke ?
Gave up smoking cigarettes so ..

I really want to sun-dry more of it as I reckon an electric shredder/chipper would handle it OK in that state - I usually battle away at it with a sharp Victorinox skinning knife and pre-cut it onto an old bit of concrete path, then use an old pushmower (I stand on it, and The Boy works the mower).

Fires it into the catcher pretty well, but I think it would just about be better for sheep if it was properly chopped up (you could always soak it to juicy it up again).View attachment 828369
It's just one of these lightweight plastic troughs, I like it because I can tow it with the 2 wheeler, I have about 2 metres of dog chain on it in a loop which means I can stick it over my shoulder, drag it full of electric fencing stuff, and move all my stuff from paddock to paddock without turning a key or getting too pudgy :cool:
Perhaps we should share a small old precision chop drag forager when we get down there. :whistle:
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Perhaps we should share a small old precision chop drag forager when we get down there. :whistle:
I'd love to feed a heap of it into a belt-baler, preferably someone else's :D
Would be really handy to just have a bale of the stuff sitting there, although I suspect it will be a bit redundant once we get the dosatron set up.

That's all dragging, too, still waiting on quotes, unfortunately from the big suppliers that will have the best prices, so I am prepared to wait for them (with a gentle hoozle-up)
 

Crofter64

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Quebec, Canada
I'd love to feed a heap of it into a belt-baler, preferably someone else's :D
Would be really handy to just have a bale of the stuff sitting there, although I suspect it will be a bit redundant once we get the dosatron set up.

That's all dragging, too, still waiting on quotes, unfortunately from the big suppliers that will have the best prices, so I am prepared to wait for them (with a gentle hoozle-up)
I bought an inline feriliser injector in order to mix liquid kelp and apple cider vinegar to the animals but haven’t used it yet as I am worried about putting anything but water through my water lines. I wonder if I could end up havingunwanted bacterial growth.
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Is a dosatron anything like this?
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
I bought an inline feriliser injector in order to mix liquid kelp and apple cider vinegar to the animals but haven’t used it yet as I am worried about putting anything but water through my water lines. I wonder if I could end up havingunwanted bacterial growth.View attachment 828600
Is a dosatron anything like this?
Dunno, better ask @Kiwi Pete he's just having his morning tea...(y)
 

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