- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Haha - I like exercise, keeping fit & a physical challenge, but I think that might be a stretch too far . . .
"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..
- Thread starter Kiwi Pete
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The People - Free Range Dairy
freerangedairy.org
Not sure how their inspected or anything just like the idea behind it.
It's still a label though ?
Yes seen that, is there a very red faced embarrassed emoji I can put here
angry one will have to do!
- Location
- Cornwall
If I can't get Organic milk in the shop I try to get from one of these guys which is close to me.The People - Free Range Dairy
Not sure how their inspected or anything just like the idea behind it.
It's still a label though ?
I may be wrong but, it looks like it’s Red Tractor standards and inspections with an extra label that says the cows are out for at least 6 months.
Producer Standards - Free Range Dairy
freerangedairy.org
Can’t find anything on their website about feeding concentrate, may not be relevant perhaps but they make a big pitch about being grass fed?
6 months at grass would describe the vast majority of herds in Devon and Cornwall I would think? Maybe I’m being cynical but I can’t see what they’re doing that is vastly different from the norm down here, unless it is 100% grass fed?
It’s good that they focus on the smaller units and it’s obviously working as a marketing body if they’re getting a healthy premium, so I’m not knocking them, it just looks like a clever bit of marketing at a glance.
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The cynic in me would say that just like every other bit of marketing, it's playing customers' fears to sell their products over their competitors'. There doesn't have to actually be a point of difference; merely the perception of one.
@DanielBennett will probably be able to tell us more (I think he has a background in marketing).
I may be wrong but, it looks like it’s Red Tractor standards and inspections with an extra label that says the cows are out for at least 6 months.
Producer Standards - Free Range Dairy
Can’t find anything on their website about feeding concentrate, may not be relevant perhaps but they make a big pitch about being grass fed?
6 months at grass would describe the vast majority of herds in Devon and Cornwall I would think? Maybe I’m being cynical but I can’t see what they’re doing that is vastly different from
The old traditional creamy near here which I'm sure you know, use to advertise milk From cows that graze lush Cornish grass, I've just checked their web site & it now says trusting Cornish dairy farmers, nothing about grazing at all , probably because some of there suppliers cows unfortunately no longer go out at all.I may be wrong but, it looks like it’s Red Tractor standards and inspections with an extra label that says the cows are out for at least 6 months.
Producer Standards - Free Range Dairy
Can’t find anything on their website about feeding concentrate, may not be relevant perhaps but they make a big pitch about being grass fed?
6 months at grass would describe the vast majority of herds in Devon and Cornwall I would think? Maybe I’m being cynical but I can’t see what they’re doing that is vastly different from the norm down here, unless it is 100% grass fed?
It’s good that they focus on the smaller units and it’s obviously working as a marketing body if they’re getting a healthy premium, so I’m not knocking them, it just looks like a clever bit of marketing at a glance.
The 2 nearest dairy farms to here both have Robotic milkers, one the cows never go out on grass , the other they do go out abit but not much.
Yes it is clever marketing but I do think as consumers we should have the option of buying from different systems.
- Location
- Ardrossan Ayrshire
So whats the biggest expense then? The flights or the beer?PS @martian
I’m available for speaking engagements & discussion groups, but I require my plane tickets paid for & a supply of good beer.
And there may be “coarse language”
Just in case you were wondering
- Location
- Devon
Financially or environmentally??
Fenwick
Member
- Location
- Bretagne France
If I can't get Organic milk in the shop I try to get from one of these guys which is close to me.The People - Free Range Dairy
Not sure how their inspected or anything just like the idea behind it.
It's still a label though ?
I dont think it means much tbh. We have a similar label over here.
I also think it is important to make a distinction between official and private labels.
My personal opinion is that organic is a great start, and thén we should make thé rules harder.
Btw. Do many english farmers buy milk in a shop?
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Yes.
In this county there are hardly any dairy farmers left! We are into single figures.
- Location
- Cornwall
- Location
- Devon
Roy can pick up Pete as he rows past and they can have an oar each. Job sorted?
- Location
- Devon
Or if he wants to go the other way Pete can pick him up...
- Location
- Derbyshire
Following on from the @Farmer Roy questions about labelling RegenAg here's a blog I came across from someone who is undertaking a Nuffield Scholarship.
https://thisissamsmith.com/blog/eight-questions-for-the-regenerative-agriculture-movement/
https://thisissamsmith.com/blog/eight-questions-for-the-regenerative-agriculture-movement/
Shortest way is over the pole isnt it, mind that would be a bit cold for Roy
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
That's why ruling "what is regenerative" will simply not work out well.
Something as simple as herbicide use: a no-go area for me, because I love my soils
The first step for many, because they decide to love their soils by not tipping them over and letting the Carbon out/stopping the Carbon flowing in
...and literally a hundred more examples....
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
I'm al;ways suspicious / uncomfortable of rules, regulations & boxes . . .
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
maybe that's part of the "mindset" differences I hinted at earlier ?
on one hand the independent, self reliant colonials, or on the other a long history of subjection, serfdom, tenancies & being told what to do . . .
Long one. Book marked for later.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
I love rules, because I make them and adhere to them, and quite often change them as things change
Nobody needs to ask if I sterilise my knife at 82°+ -because I boil them as I work
Nobody needs to ask about my chemical store -because I leave chemicals in the store for other mugs to buy
Nobody needs to ask if my lambs were tailed within X weeks of birth or if my cattle were dehorned properly -
because we choose not to mutilate them for "management [lack of management] reasons" and just manage them so the don't get struck by flies or wreck the place through boredom
And I don't even have to worry about how much fertiliser is going down the creek because I don't put any on the land to wash away
Life can be pretty simple with the right rules