"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

[Farmer Roy]

and that sums it up pretty well

regen should come from within . . .

 

[Kiwi Pete]

and that sums it up pretty well

regen should come from within . . .

It soon becomes 'a way of life', just like the other businesses I operate; the only thing that ALWAYS "wins" is a win-win arrangement

I just like my relationship with nature to be the same as my tenant families or my investment broker team - either we all win, or we just won't play the game.
Human beings are naturally symbiotic with other species, just in many cases it's been beaten out of them

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Putting up a fence for my poor hungry milking cows

Quite nice tucker in here, the main mob will be in here next Saturday/Sunday/Monday

 

[Jungle Bill]

and that sums it up pretty well

regen should come from within . . .

I like Gabe Brown’s quote along the lines of ‘if you change how you do things you can make small changes but to make the big changes you have to change how you see things’.
As long as you are looking at regen from an extractive farming perspective you won’t really understand it, somehow we each have to change how we see things to a regen or holistic perspective, stepping back to see the whole picture. The Ah ha moment needs open eyes but when it comes it changes everything.

 

[Farmer Roy]

those few lines are more eloquently & informatively written than all my rambling posts

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Following on from the @Farmer Roy questions about labelling RegenAg here's a blog I came across from someone who is undertaking a Nuffield Scholarship.
https://thisissamsmith.com/blog/eight-questions-for-the-regenerative-agriculture-movement/

Interesting.

I actually think the definition of what is regenerative is easy: an overall ongoing improvement in the ecosystem processes on the land. It's measuring it in a consistent and comparable way that's difficult. This is largely because we are trying to create a comprehensive snapshot of an innately complex system, something scientists have always avoided by taking a reductionist approach.

Traditional science struggles to measure regenerative systems. Government and business struggles with what they can't easily and quickly measure.

Ultimately it's about functioning nature. Nature doesn't care whether we measure it or not. It's us that insist on measuring everything. That is simply about business economics.

Of the above barriers I think 2, 3, 4, 7 and 8 are the key ones.

As for 6, if you get it right then the profitability rises anyway so who needs a market incentive?

5 just demonstrates the writer has not made the mindset change. It's not about applying a "system" in all situations. It's about adaptively managing the local situation for greatest natural robustness.

Just my thoughts.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I like Gabe Brown’s quote along the lines of ‘if you change how you do things you can make small changes but to make the big changes you have to change how you see things’.
As long as you are looking at regen from an extractive farming perspective you won’t really understand it, somehow we each have to change how we see things to a regen or holistic perspective, stepping back to see the whole picture. The Ah ha moment needs open eyes but when it comes it changes everything.

And THAT is the biggest challenge to widespread adoption.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Or as Charlie Arnott says, it’s the paddock between your ears that you have to change first . . .

 

[CornishTone]

Interesting.

I actually think the definition of what is regenerative is easy: an overall ongoing improvement in the ecosystem processes on the land. It's measuring it in a consistent and comparable way that's difficult. This is largely because we are trying to create a comprehensive snapshot of an innately complex system, something scientists have always avoided by taking a reductionist approach.

Traditional science struggles to measure regenerative systems. Government and business struggles with what they can't easily and quickly measure.

Ultimately it's about functioning nature. Nature doesn't care whether we measure it or not. It's us that insist on measuring everything. That is simply about business economics.

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Of the above barriers I think 2, 3, 4, 7 and 8 are the key ones.

As for 6, if you get it right then the profitability rises anyway so who needs a market incentive?

5 just demonstrates the writer has not made the mindset change. It's not about applying a "system" in all situations. It's about adaptively managing the local situation for greatest natural robustness.

Just my thoughts.

I don't know who this Sam fellow is but, that's the second quote form him I've seen and both really quite insightful.

 

[JohnGalway]

That's why ruling "what is regenerative" will simply not work out well.

This is the reason I keep asking people to keep this stuff away from politicians and their agendas. They're not listening however, and it won't end well as you say.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

This is the reason I keep asking people to keep this stuff away from politicians and their agendas. They're not listening however, and it won't end well as you say.

I just want them to get out of our way in implementing it.

 

[Jungle Bill]

I just want them to get out of our way in implementing it.

I think it was Joel Salatin who said he tried to farm without input or influence from politicians, pushers and parasites.

 

[Farmer Roy]

I like that

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I think it was Joel Salatin who said he tried to farm without input or influence from politicians, pushers and parasites.

It's more fun when you have the ability to influence them, and it can happen.
A couple of us have already had letters of support and encouragement from our MPI (Ministry for Primary Industries) for our ongoing RA work, especially re education and promotion of it; hopefully come winter-time we can get our local MP here for some pictures of our mud and polluted waterways

The right politician can make a huge ally especially when you can answer the questions and give snap demonstrations of your "beneficial outcomes"

The game-changer for Hamish was when he arrived mid-winter in the pissing rain, and I tipped out a portable trough full of water at him - 180 litres soaked in before it got to him, 4 feet away.

That was about the time he "got it" I think; you could see the cogs whirring in his head when I asked him why we have floods from a couple of inches of rain, and droughts when we didn't?

 

[Henarar]

I like that

To fecking right

 

[awkward]

those few lines are more eloquently & informatively written than all my rambling posts

I wouldnt say that Roy. You have provoked many of us to consider what we do.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

It's more fun when you have the ability to influence them, and it can happen.
A couple of us have already had letters of support and encouragement from our MPI (Ministry for Primary Industries) for our ongoing RA work, especially re education and promotion of it; hopefully come winter-time we can get our local MP here for some pictures of our mud and polluted waterways

The right politician can make a huge ally especially when you can answer the questions and give snap demonstrations of your "beneficial outcomes"

The game-changer for Hamish was when he arrived mid-winter in the pissing rain, and I tipped out a portable trough full of water at him - 180 litres soaked in before it got to him, 4 feet away.

That was about the time he "got it" I think; you could see the cogs whirring in his head when I asked him why we have floods from a couple of inches of rain, and droughts when we didn't?

If only you'd videoed it....

 

[JohnGalway]

I think it was Joel Salatin who said he tried to farm without input or influence from politicians, pushers and parasites.

Could be hard tell the 3 groups apart in a line up ?‍

 

[Farmer Roy]

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It is both possible and practical to build a system of agriculture that is productive, profitable, and enhances rather than de...grades our natural resources. The hardest part will be in changing the mental attitudes of producers and of far too many scientists. As Mark Twain has been credited with saying, "It is not what that fellow don't know that bothers me; what bothers me is what he knows that ain't so." A great deal of modern agricultural theory is based on a faulty knowledge base. Real progress toward a regenerative agriculture will come only when management is designed and implemented to benefit all members of the soil-plant-animal-wealth-human farm/ranch complex.
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