"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Discussion in 'Holistic Farming' started by Kiwi Pete, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    Cheers mate (y) good honest feedback is always appreciated. They sound pretty good by all accounts!

    Likewise I was surprised (pleasantly) with these wee dorper crosses, shot out of the ewe lambs like an oiled egg and just grew and grew.... they are quite low all the same, I remember looking at one early on and thinking it looked stunted til I picked him up and felt the weight - much solider.

    Mind you tipping the ram over to check his feet or put a harness on is a fair act :ROFLMAO: and the bugger can jump a gate - must be c.30% goat in them :D
    Not hard to pick the odd one out :facepalm:
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  2. nice pen of lambs kP
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  3. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    Thanks, I actually got quite a buzz - my first ever pen of lambs! (y)
    the mate I get my sheep from called in today and saw the sheep in the yard, safe to say his jaw dropped to see the size of his "rejects" - :eek::eek: to the point he didn't recognise them as the same lambs.

    I feed everything to capacity, even when short on feed nothing goes hungry for long.
    I don't know how sensible it is to farm with an abundance mentality but .... .. .. it is what it is :)

    "there is more along shortly"
  4. Sounds good to me .

    ....with respect to sheep farming,old man always said "when lambs are doing, keep them doing "
  5. They sound good im almost sure there will be an exlana here for tupping time i just need to go see some locally before buying one. Thanks for the honest feedback very helpful (y)
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  6. Some people here might have some thoughts on this or at least find it interesting. I took on a really rough block of grazing this summer and there are a lot of overgrown willow hedges that are now basically lines of trees that have fallen over. Ive put all my empty ewe lambs there as well as quite a lot (thanks to the crappy spring :shifty:) of ewe lambs that lambed and arent rearing anymore. Some if them looked quite poor when i turned them there thanks to the stress of trying to rear lambs in mud and snow so im guessing they weret feeling to great. They are looking much better now though and sheared suprisingly well after a rest on this rough ground.
    This mob if sheep have stripped every willow leaf within 4 foot of the ground and even nibbled at the twigs on the ends of the branches. And there was a lot of them but every one is bare. Were they self medicating on the willow? Asprin comes from willow trees (salicyllic acid? I could be completley wrong though) ive never seen sheep eat willow like that before i have some about and they rarely touch it or at least not like they have here.
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  7. More likely the tanins .... they fancied :unsure::yuck: imo. same self medicating purpose agree tho ir.

    I have shorn my rams this afternoon 6 of them not a lot of wool def. not worth a lot on the Suftex and the Texels not much more.In my mid fifties with some creaky bones, so the 7th Ram (the Exlana ) was a pleasure not to have to shear .:)
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  8. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    How are spring things treating you, @Crofter64 ? 20180615_135616.jpg

    I have just had the news today that I can get ready to send some of my cattle away... and have been thinking ahead to springtime....
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  9. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    Too right (y)
    It is difficult for many to grasp that the things they do in the course of their "management" have so many negative consequences on the very things that would be able to assist.

    It is a sad world in many respects; and our tendency to kill first, ask questions later, drives me wild.

    Then again, I trap possums ferrets and stoats, so who am I to judge?
  10. farmers seem to spend so much of their time just killing things . . .

    an explosion or overpopulation of any organism shows that the system is out of balance

    I keep reading about direct drilling on tff - people who say it will save the world & others who say it doesn't work
    both are wrong
    however, I also keep reading about the sheer quantities of fungicides used in uk arable cropping. FUNGICIDES. Just stop & think about that. Stop & think about the many valuable, crucial roles fungi play in soil health, plant health, animal health & ultimately our health. Then lets go do our 4th T2 or whatever its called, or another prophylactic "earwash" spray, just in case
    FUNGICIDES . . .
    Then they wonder why there are issues with stubble retention, decomposition of organic matter, soil health, compaction, infiltration, water holding capacity, dry weather ( FFS ), slugs etc ????
    No point explaining the VITAL role of fungi in soil here - if you don't already know at least something about it you shouldn't be farming
    but, the implications spread further than ( just ? ) soil health.
    insects can cause big problems in agriculture, yes
    guess what ? MOST diseases of insects ( that help to keep their populations in control ) are fungal . . .
    so, by using fungicides, not only are there all the negative impacts on soil health, but you are also having an impact on pest insect populations. Slug pellets anyone ??
    Sometimes I just read TFF & wonder why ?
    WTF ?
    And they think they are the BEST, they are the PINNACLE & anyone who suggests there may be different ways, cheaper ways, more effective ways, regenerative ways, is just some greeny lefty hippy with no idea, intent on destroying them, or some jealous foreign competitor who obviously isn't as productive as them & needs to belittle them as much as possible because they cant compete on yield or whatever dick waving measure they use
    TBH - ive had a gutfull of the self righteousness, the moaning, the whining, the exceptionalism. From the lot. The ploughers, the DD ( they seem so amateurish & naïve in many ways, bless'em ). All solutions can only be bought, sprayed or spread, from an oilbasedpetrochemicalindustialsyntheticenergyhungry source, reductionist mindset
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  11. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    I always wonder WHY and WHAT

    even if it is my own farming practices - why am I doing this?
    What do I want to achieve, what are the likely outcomes, what impacts/collateral damage will this cause?

    I think too many are still pissing down their legs over the HOW, which is seldom as important to successful outcomes as the actual principles are.
  12. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    My own view is that lives are actually really quite cheap on a piece of land - death preservation of empty spaces are where the costs actually lie.

    It ties in well with what we are discussing here; monoculture and lack of development in harvesting techniques have led to the "job's fooked" side of cropping.
    Monoculture and lack of selective breeding has led to the "job's fooked" of livestock.

    So, the more "hands off" we can be, the better our chances?
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  13. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    You would have to be well brainwashed to ignore the evidence.
    Agriculture is broken.
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  14. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    Snowline x Dorper crypt.
    Doesn't take much to save a bit of time on the handpiece.... (y) let's pretend I belly crutched him!
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  15. Ukjay

    Ukjay Member

    In the Mud
    It does appear to be quite a contentious thing farming, if one dares to think outside of the box!

    From my own outside in look, there appears to be a lot of resistance to what I beleive I can see as being the required changes needed, so I often ponder where things are heading and for just how much longer it can last as it is, obviously in my own little world to avoid further confrontation.

    I personally cannot see it being able to continue much longer in the current state, so going to be interesting to see how things pan out.
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  16. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    Don't you find as you get older you are less inclined to want to kill anything, I swerved for a caterpillar crossing the road the other day, bloody great hairy thing he was :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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  17. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    I totally agree with you there @Ukjay
    I think you would have to be a few shingles short to think that the problems created by thinking about money will be solved by money; the problems we created by chemical abuse will be solved by more chemicals... and so on.

    Put it another way, Adolf Hitler was condemned for simply attempting to treat people the way a farmer operates - first of all create a problem, blame it on someone else, then kill anything that doesn't conform to your ideals - and he was actually 'certifiably' insane.

    Yet this is everyday food production, no diversity allowed (unless someone is going to pay me for it)

    It is a very broken model, fortunately for us down here we aren't in a mollycoddled bubble and if you break the laws of the land you are soon an ex-farmer.
    Like Adolf.

    So intervention is already quite limited compared to much of the rest of the world, and yet I still want less of it than my neighbours do. The returns really aren't there to spent my best years bent over sheep or running cattle through a race - so the less I have to mollycoddle them to produce saleable items, the better for me.

    The last time I worked out my hourly rate, it was around $180/hour.

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