"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

[Kiwi Pete]

Same deal up here by the gate, poached ground, more grass

walk down the field a way, less impact = less grass

 

[Fenwick]

Grotesque, isn't it?

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[Kiwi Pete]

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They're fully in support of something they know virtually nothing about, but it sounds good to them so it might sound good to the voters .

If they bothered to take the time to understand regenerative culture, then they may figure it out - but that's unlikely, going by the article.

 

[JohnGalway]

I don't know if this has been posted here before, or if it's appropriate to here (I believe it is). I'm also not sure of the ethos of the New Statesman so I'm not pushing any particular line or belief posting it. But, when I read the title, and when I read the full article, I probably said YES! so many times that by the end, if I smoked, I'd have needed a cigarette

The problem with philanthropy

By buying their way into academic, scientific and cultural institutions, the rich have quietly undermined democracy.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[Fenwick]

They're fully in support of something they know virtually nothing about, but it sounds good to them so it might sound good to the voters .
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If they bothered to take the time to understand regenerative culture, then they may figure it out - but that's unlikely, going b

i sée what you mean. but thérè is plenty of positives from that article.

thé political parties think that policies encouraging organic or reg. ag. are vote winners.

they may not really understand or care.
But this is politics, do thé various political parties ever understand or care about anything they push? they juste want votes, Whatever thé cost.

but anything that Can encourage the movement along is great. organic is defined, and évolutive. it's pretty black and white. don't sée much green washing there.

reg ag. remains a bit blurry, which makes it a harder sell to thé vôters.

But i'd imaginé that will change with Time.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I’ve lost the urge with tractors too for sure. ended up buck raking some maize for a few hours yesterday on a 416 jcb for the same mate. Bored me to tears even thought I’d never driven a shovel that big.
Between that and sorting a young tractor jokey out that went down the wrong lane as he didn’t listen let alone stop and think and got wedged huge Ktwo silage trailers and 8ft wide roads don’t mix believe it or not. No photos unfortunately but would have be a good one for the what I’ve fudgeed up today thread View attachment 914825View attachment 914826

I don't know what gearbox those things have on them but last autumn I was taking the tractor to dad's on a local 2 lane road when one passed me just before a blind bend. I was doing 40k and he passed me then accelerated away as fast as a car, must have been close to twice my speed. He overhung the white line as well despite having a folding buckrake! Must have been claiming the contractors speed limit exemption........

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I don't know if this has been posted here before, or if it's appropriate to here (I believe it is). I'm also not sure of the ethos of the New Statesman so I'm not pushing any particular line or belief posting it. But, when I read the title, and when I read the full article, I probably said YES! so many times that by the end, if I smoked, I'd have needed a cigarette

The problem with philanthropy

By buying their way into academic, scientific and cultural institutions, the rich have quietly undermined democracy.

www.newstatesman.com

Have you seen the list of those who funded the EAT-Lancet "study"? It's clearly described in that article: "Corporations also donate to higher education through sponsored research. This is not exactly “philanthropy” because there are explicit agreements between researchers and industry that specify the nature of the project and its goals, the timing, funding, and so on. A substantial portion of scientific research would not be possible without such sponsorships. And there is no doubt that such research is often useful for a variety of applications beyond the intended corporate use."

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

They're fully in support of something they know virtually nothing about, but it sounds good to them so it might sound good to the voters .
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If they bothered to take the time to understand regenerative culture, then they may figure it out - but that's unlikely, going by the article.

But unless the politicos can find a way to pin down "regenerative" how can they regulate and tax it?

 

[awkward]

Have you seen the list of those who funded the EAT-Lancet "study"? It's clearly described in that article: "Corporations also donate to higher education through sponsored research. This is not exactly “philanthropy” because there are explicit agreements between researchers and industry that specify the nature of the project and its goals, the timing, funding, and so on. A substantial portion of scientific research would not be possible without such sponsorships. And there is no doubt that such research is often useful for a variety of applications beyond the intended corporate use."

But very often these investments lead to huge profits, and also public funding is used to subsidise these research programs, college's like Trinity and Oxford to name two have developed many very lucrative pharmaceuticals that have been quietly sold to these investors

 

[Rob Garrett]

What have you got in there?

Below + spring barley, pea, oat floor sweepings & some linseed. First choice from the salad bar is leaf of fodder radish, then sunflower leaves, grazing anything @ head height or above first. Not seen them eating linseed, borage or phacilia, but that will trample & feed soil + bees were working borage & phacilia. Very surprised @ size of turnips, thought they would not bulb up with all the other guff in there. Not sure how the math add up either, was hoping for 200 + lambs for two weeks on 3.75 acres.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Below + spring barley, pea, oat floor sweepings & some linseed. First choice from the salad bar is leaf of fodder radish, then sunflower leaves, grazing anything @ head height or above first. Not seen them eating linseed, borage or phacilia, but that will trample & feed soil + bees were working borage & phacilia. Very surprised @ size of turnips, thought they would not bulb up with all the other guff in there. Not sure how the math add up either, was hoping for 200 + lambs for two weeks on 3.75 acres.
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Nice.
Was that mix a bespoke one for you?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

But unless the politicos can find a way to pin down "regenerative" how can they regulate and tax it?

Defining regenerative taxes it enough... as per about 100 of my previous posts.
It isn't about what we can and cannot do, it's about what the individual will and will not consider an appropriate action for their circumstances.
Where does a dream start to become a nightmare, and vice-versa?

Oh, and they forgot biodynamics

 

[awkward]

Defining regenerative taxes it enough... as per about 100 of my previous posts.
It isn't about what we can and cannot do, it's about what the individual will and will not consider an appropriate action for their circumstances.
Where does a dream start to become a nightmare, and vice-versa?

Oh, and they forgot biodynamics

Recently on a Facebook group here a person has informed us that they intend to start a company to provide services, information,marketing and government support while at the same time assuming to define what re gen ag is, . This has bothered me but I don't feel qualified to comment or state a reasonable point of view in my objections. As I understand re gen ag embraces anyone who is willing to make a positive move within their farming environment, which encourages the next move, but doesn't define what that should be as we are all in different circumstances.
How or why do we need to define regen ag, the risk of it becoming another marketing distinction is possibly one reason to try defining but does that remove the integrity from the producer,and the incentive to find their own context as their knowledge and understanding improves

 

[hendrebc]

Haven't quite picked up on all of this conversation, but this £600, is it for a grass/grazing program/app? What does it do over and above Agrinet (£75/year approx)

It's like a computer model of your farm (or any other farm you input into it) and it forecasts your feed supple and demand based on what you tell it you plan to do with how many stock and when and you input your farm cover into it whenever you measure and it will tell you where you are with your feed supply compared to your demand.
You can also run different scenarios in it like add another enterprise or try and all grass winter one mob of stock or whatever and see how it plays out in the computer model. It was remarkably accurate whenever I used it for anything amazing bit of computer programming by someone.
The important bit was just a graph plotting your predicted farm cover against what stock you said you would be keeping and what they would be doing throughout the year and so what your demand would be. As long as your cover line was above your demand line then you were ok. If there was a big gap between the two then you had a surplus you could look to do something with like get more stock to graze it drop some fields out of the grazing block for a winter crop or something. Then you could put the yield for that in to see what it would feed too. It did a hell of s lot more than that though it could do your financials and your greenhouse gas emissions too. Very powerful program bit very complicated too.

Well impressed you got your head round setting up Farmax, amazingly powerful bit of software but too complicated for me to drive. Any opportunities using what you learned to help setup for others?

Had a play with Agrinet for a few months, nice & simple for grass wedge etc but no sheep option at the time, may have been updated now.

I had help to start off which I wouldn't have been able to do without but I did manage ok afterwards after a lot of fiddling. But I only got my head around the basic things I didn't use even a quarter of what it could do.

 

[JohnGalway]

Recently on a Facebook group here a person has informed us that they intend to start a company to provide services, information,marketing and government support while at the same time assuming to define what re gen ag is, . This has bothered me but I don't feel qualified to comment or state a reasonable point of view in my objections. As I understand re gen ag embraces anyone who is willing to make a positive move within their farming environment, which encourages the next move, but doesn't define what that should be as we are all in different circumstances.
How or why do we need to define regen ag, the risk of it becoming another marketing distinction is possibly one reason to try defining but does that remove the integrity from the producer,and the incentive to find their own context as their knowledge and understanding improves

Regen ag, plough your own furrow

 

[awkward]

Regen ag, plough your own furrow

Agree but when its being defined to protect the product what does it become

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Recently on a Facebook group here a person has informed us that they intend to start a company to provide services, information,marketing and government support while at the same time assuming to define what re gen ag is, . This has bothered me but I don't feel qualified to comment or state a reasonable point of view in my objections. As I understand re gen ag embraces anyone who is willing to make a positive move within their farming environment, which encourages the next move, but doesn't define what that should be as we are all in different circumstances.
How or why do we need to define regen ag, the risk of it becoming another marketing distinction is possibly one reason to try defining but does that remove the integrity from the producer,and the incentive to find their own context as their knowledge and understanding improves

As I was just saying to @FonterraFarmer on another channel, governments tend to f**k whatever they touch because they are a system of depratments.
Regenerative "agriculture" will be a matter for the departments concerned with foreign trade, and regulation of agriculture - not health departments, not social welfare, none of that - because they only see it as "farming without sprays, but with sunflowers" and greatly miss the point of what holism is.
Regenerative is NOT about soil health anymore than it is about mental health, and it certainly isn't about branding commodity to add some value

 

[JohnGalway]

Agree but when its being defined to protect the product what does it become

Becomes bulls**t, but does that matter. If you have to retaliate and protect a phrase, term, or name then you will be the one working on a definition. I think it misses the point. I also think farmers trying to sell product on the back of it miss the point (because largely people don't give a sh1t, they buy on other factors mostly). My take on regen ag has always been simple, that it's a thing for farmers and landowners to do, keep it away from Government etc. It's a practice. Do it. Don't enter into regulated nonsense that defines you or what you do.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Becomes bullpoo, but does that matter. If you have to retaliate and protect a phrase, term, or name then you will be the one working on a definition. I think it misses the point. I also think farmers trying to sell product on the back of it miss the point (because largely people don't give a sh1t, they buy on other factors mostly). My take on regen ag has always been simple, that it's a thing for farmers and landowners to do, keep it away from Government etc. It's a practice. Do it. Don't enter into regulated nonsense that defines you or what you do.

It's awfully hard to make "shifts" within something that is not shifting anymore soil carbon or tall-grass-grazing or skipping a fungicide spray are all just steps. There is no top step

I completely agree with @SilliamWhale that RA is dangerously close to disappearing up its own arse, or words to effect. That's the problem!

We need to shift the conversation to what we are doing, what we're working on - not what we aren't allowed to do and simple tribalism.

That's just continuation of degenerative thinking, which negates regenerative actions, diluting our drive

 

[Kiwi Pete]

i sée what you mean. but thérè is plenty of positives from that article.

thé political parties think that policies encouraging organic or reg. ag. are vote winners.

they may not really understand or care.
But this is politics, do thé various political parties ever understand or care about anything they push? they juste want votes, Whatever thé cost.

but anything that Can encourage the movement along is great. organic is defined, and évolutive. it's pretty black and white. don't sée much green washing there.

reg ag. remains a bit blurry, which makes it a harder sell to thé vôters.

But i'd imaginé that will change with Time.

Plenty of positives, the conversation is definitely shifting. We just need to get that flow of ideas open and not have denialism on both sides- we get the "we've been doing that for 100 years" type as well as the overzealous "you can't do that and must do this" types