ShooTa
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Hmm maybe!... that would be great I'm not sure what I'm going to be doing about it yet I'll have to see nearer the time. I'll keep the offer in mind though thankswelp splurged a tad - taking the lady with me to groundswell - @hendrebc need a lift?
http://www.savory.global/ebooks/That is why I spend most of my time reading only.
I plan to have a few fruit trees on the outskirts, so the rancher doesn't need to pack a lunch to manage the priaries .You DO realise that the stock will gather near the trees I'm sure
I don't think any job should be 24/7, it's the one thing that I'm very unsure about with this whole system. I'm a one man band, how do I have a life and farm this way?Yep too easy. They move while I move their trough, 20-25 minutes a day?
And about 2 hours in the weekend or one evening to set up their next paddock with lanes.
I was spending an hour a day moving them once!!
Sounds interesting ShooTa.
My 2nd daughter wants to go farming and we have encouraged her to keep the uni option door open. However she is not keen and with my ever increasing interest in the holistic approach I'm thinking a normal ag degree is not going to benefit her much. (She is also "environmentally minded" for want of a better way of putting it and is taking an interest too.)
So I'm left wondering what options she (perhaps I should say we) has (have) in growing practical and technical knowledge on this?
Perhaps I should start a separate thread, but your post about students looking into holistic grazing caught my eye as we're (or she's) chewing on options for her.
This was a great article. Would love to know what they mean by "regenerative grazing".
What are you getting interviewed about?having some lady come interview me tomorrow - should be interesting -... 5 days till lambing, keeping father happy with concentrate feeding .. lord knows how ill do it post as he s insistant about feeding the twins and i want 1 mob. still deciding whether ill halt and set stock in the remaining section just for lambing ..rather than having to move the mob to a new field...
This is going to make me sound cheap after my poor persons course comment but I kind of am cheapHaven't you twigged yet Pete? YOU'RE going to be the New Zealand Joel Salatin who folk come to bounce THEIR paradigm off
It's easier to use numbers at first. I think it's just part of how the human mind works - or at least has been trained to work. I'll use an example from work that probably nobody will getDid you read the thread called 'discuss' about herbal leys and dairying? It was mentioned in that thread that it's so much easier to manage with a platemeter and going in at a certain height and leaving at a certain height and working things out in a DM per kilo of liveweight basis. Exactly as you say it's farming by numbers.
It's true as well any idiot can be told to move the cows when it gets down to 1500kg/DM/ha and put them back on when it gets to 3000 or whatever. It's easy but looking at the grass and knowing when it's ready to be grazed requires thinking and adapting plans to suit. There's also a fear of getting it wrong when the farming by numbers system appears to be working quite well most of the time.
It's probably easier for a one man band to do a more holistic approach to grazing than it is for someone who might have a lot of staff helping out they can all use a platemeter or sward stick easily enough but telling when grass has fully recovered and ready to graze isn't s easy without someone showing you how to do it and what to look for. A one man band only has himself to answer to if a mistake is made but employees have a boss to answer to who might not be so understanding.
Look how long this thread is and we still don't have any concrete rules about holistic planned grazing.
Excellent description of the learning process @BlaithinIt's easier to use numbers at first. I think it's just part of how the human mind works - or at least has been trained to work. I'll use an example from work that probably nobody will get
When we clean wheat I have to check how much "refuse" is left in it, or how clean I'm really getting it. Different components are things like large seeds and broken grain, but both of these things fall through one screen and sit on top of another so I have to hand pick them to get the numbers of each left in them. There's different tolerances as broken grain is just broken wheat but large seeds can include weed seeds which can affect grade and quality. Anyway, when people first start doing these picks, we sit there for agggeeessss picking every piece of broken grain out from every seed to get an exact number. As you get more comfortable with the process, you start to eyeball it. You know what it looks like when there's .087% large seeds and .17% broken grain, you're ok guesstimating because you know by looking at it it's within tolerances.
Similarly, when first starting to figure out animal intake and grass capacity it's easier to have numbers to back you up. Especially if you're by yourself and don't have a mentor that can look at it and show you what they see. Reading in a book how much the author takes off in Tennessee really means nothing to me. We all use the same principals globally, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do Pete's methodology and expect the same result. Species and environment play a big roll in how we can treat our pastures and how they're going to react. I'm not trusting enough to use the eye ball technique as told by people with completely different seasons, species and rainfall as me. Instead I have local references about numbers and I can use those as a starting point. As I get more comfortable with those and learn what the numbers look like and what they each achieve as a result, then I will get more comfortable not measuring and just looking.
Of course, there's always the people that get stuck in the rut and never make it past the measuring
The best things in life are FREEThis is going to make me sound cheap after my poor persons course comment but I kind of am cheap
Joel was up here doing some talks at the end of last year. I was super excited and even willing to drive into the City to go see him.
Tickets were $600!!!!
What the actual fudge Joel. For someone trying to market themselves to the small time farmer trying to get established and people trying to make big switches, charging us an arm and then saying "But it's an investment in the future" is bull crap. Especially considering most people would be travelling hours to get to the venues and many would also probably have to find accommodations for the night. All for one talk!
I pay $100 and I get a two day, hands on course, with meals and a multitude of speakers. I've been jaded by it apparently.
If you ever do that Pete, I'll fly over there to flick you in the nose myself.
If you ever do that Pete, I'll fly over there to flick you in the nose myself.
Sure. $600 CAD pleaseOh I would pay to see that
Sure. $600 CAD please
However it works for you - never a popular question to ask a fulltime farmer what do they do all day, so I won't!I don't think any job should be 24/7, it's the one thing that I'm very unsure about with this whole system. I'm a one man band, how do I have a life and farm this way?
For each party, I hope?Sure. $600 CAD please
For each party, I hope?
I'd imagine you'd pack a fairly hefty one if you only got the one shot