"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Happy sheep, left the cows behind to do a bit of topping.
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Will give them a bit of management on Tuesday, the owner wants to tail and crypt and jab the lambs, and give the hoggs a drench, and then they will be boxed together with these rats,
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to simplify management.
I would run the lot as one, but we have bulls in with our mob and these aren't to be bred just yet.

The 41 we got last will be going away in a few weeks and we have a bigger mob coming, about 75 I think, once they are done with the bull.
Hopefully this will match the grass curve nicely, and then when the sheep go we will be well placed for summer.
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Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
I think not spending comes naturaly to some.
Father said he gave me, sister and younger brother a pound to spend in a coffe eavning to raise money for the school.
I came home with 50p sister had spent her pound, brother was beging his grandfather for more money half way through.:)

haha - there was an old bloke here who had 3 adult sons, all successful farmers / business men in their own right, but very different personalities.
he said if he gave each of them $20, Andrew would have turned it into $40, Clive would have spent it on partying & Malcolm would have spent $60 trying to get the $40 off the other 2 . . .
 

Fenwick

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Location
Bretagne France
25 cows everything took through to finishing other than replacements .
All Ai saves on a bull & associated costs .
Nothing else farm wise for income but paid for the farm through buying selling houses/ building & stocks & shares....But the only money I earned to get my first house & shares was through buying & rearing calves.

well done to you mate. how old were you when you got your farm?
 

Fenwick

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Location
Bretagne France
25 cows everything took through to finishing other than replacements .
All Ai saves on a bull & associated costs .
Nothing else farm wise for income but paid for the farm through buying selling houses/ building & stocks & shares....But the only money I earned to get my first house & shares was through buying & rearing calves.

well done to you mate. how old were you when you got your farm?
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
39.
Bought the farm off my parents in 2009 , my bungalow at the time was worth nearly 2/3 the farm + I had a mortgage on the farm.
Brexit paid for the rest.
I would add to that for those that don't know, is that some coastal villages in Cornwall went from unwanted industrial fishing villages to property hotspots in a very short period. The bungalow I bought went up over 400% in 10 years , so I can't claim that as hard work or market knowledge just being looked after.
 
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Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
Brexit was bloody handy, like that!
It did feck all else, but it certainly "created disturbance" enough to shift a bit of wealth about.
Good stuff, I do like a good success story
Again it was something I had no knowledge was going to happen it was just any spare money I invested overseas because the pound was strong the turmoil of Brexit gave me a small window of opportunity to pay off the mortgage.
Politically with Brexit I'm not bothered but so far for me personally it's been a big help (y)
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Again it was something I had no knowledge was going to happen it was just any spare money I invested overseas because the pound was strong the turmoil of Brexit gave me a small window of opportunity to pay off the mortgage.
Politically with Brexit I'm not bothered but so far for me personally it's been a big help (y)
Managing money is a lot like managing "nature" in some respects
"Manage what you have" and "focus on what you want to happen"... the financial advisors call it 'positioning' but the two tie in nicely.

There are some who manage for things to stay the same and it works predictably while everything stays the same!
But it doesn't, in the longer term.
Things always change.

I always look forward to new stuff happening 🥰
That's probably why I need to have a few inbred sheep, come to think of it 🤔🤔
You get unexpected things happening
 
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Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Again it was something I had no knowledge was going to happen it was just any spare money I invested overseas because the pound was strong the turmoil of Brexit gave me a small window of opportunity to pay off the mortgage.
Politically with Brexit I'm not bothered but so far for me personally it's been a big help (y)
I voted leave, I will send on the invoice for my cut ;)
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
It is surprising what you can make off a small number of sheep, too. I sold 25 lambs last year and pocketed over $5k, not really much work to kill and cut up. I guess that's why it's so regulated 🤷‍♂️

Here's one for @hendrebc, what are we doing wrong that these lambs have put on 4kg per week since birth? View attachment 918494 Mother has never been yarded or touched, what should I buy first? 🤔
Why are they dirty tailed ?
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
it's great to hear about péople getting into farming. thé UK has put up huge barrièrs to young farmers due to spéculation on Land and housing.
I think we have a attitude problem here, as in if your not a certain farm size it won't work & there is also a negative attitude to farm profits .
I did horticulture before switching over to Agriculture & they have a completely different mindset , only got 3 acres , right put up a poly tunnel, multi crop, flowers , veg what evers making a profit , don't think I ever heard size of land available was a profit limiter.
When I did a Agriculture course profits never came into it and was always told there was no money in it and you do it because it's a way of life.
Speculation on housing & land seems to go in waves , things are flying again here , people from the cities trying to escape Corona virus.
 

Fenwick

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Location
Bretagne France
I think we have a attitude problem here, as in if your not a certain farm size it won't work & there is also a negative attitude to farm profits .
I did horticulture before switching over to Agriculture & they have a completely different mindset , only got 3 acres , right put up a poly tunnel, multi crop, flowers , veg what evers making a profit , don't think I ever heard size of land available was a profit limiter.
When I did a Agriculture course profits never came into it and was always told there was no money in it and you do it because it's a way of life.
Speculation on housing & land seems to go in waves , things are flying again here , people from the cities trying to escape Corona virus.

it was thé case here untill recently.

you want to produce beef? you néed x hectares to live.

you want to produce milk, you néed to produced x litres.

lamb x heads.

actually it is not a simple as that. Now we play a lot with numbers.

thérè is a Guy an hour from me, makes a living from 1 Sow.

Meanwhile thé farm down thé road can't make ends meet producing 10,000 pigs a year.

Wish i knew how to get started with stocks and shares. But it's so Alien for me i wouldn't know where to start. I've got an ISA but at 2.5% it's not doing much.

cattle are a much more lucrative investment but i'd like to have more money invested off farm.
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
it was thé case here untill recently.

you want to produce beef? you néed x hectares to live.

you want to produce milk, you néed to produced x litres.

lamb x heads.

actually it is not a simple as that. Now we play a lot with numbers.

thérè is a Guy an hour from me, makes a living from 1 Sow.

Meanwhile thé farm down thé road can't make ends meet producing 10,000 pigs a year.

Wish i knew how to get started with stocks and shares. But it's so Alien for me i wouldn't know where to start. I've got an ISA but at 2.5% it's not doing much.

cattle are a much more lucrative investment but i'd like to have more money invested off farm.
You can get stocks & shares isa , you can go for a managed fund in....pretty well anything, start off small & learn as you go, quite afew fund managers offer saving from £50 / month ( not sure if there's similar in France).
Monthly is the best way as you iron out the peaks and troughs with your saving.
But at the moment I putting everything in the farm as I see that as the safest place atm until (if ) the world settles down a bit.
 

texas pete

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Location
East Mids
it was thé case here untill recently.

you want to produce beef? you néed x hectares to live.

you want to produce milk, you néed to produced x litres.

lamb x heads.

actually it is not a simple as that. Now we play a lot with numbers.

thérè is a Guy an hour from me, makes a living from 1 Sow.

Meanwhile thé farm down thé road can't make ends meet producing 10,000 pigs a year.

Wish i knew how to get started with stocks and shares. But it's so Alien for me i wouldn't know where to start. I've got an ISA but at 2.5% it's not doing much.

cattle are a much more lucrative investment but i'd like to have more money invested off farm.

With no knowledge, I’d buy index trackers US, global etc... and keep dripping a bit in. Both myself and my wife have decent amounts that we slowly add to. It’s quite tax efficient too (well, better than not having the cash wrapped up in them anyway Imho). We have ISA, LISA and SIPP. I haven’t the time, skill or confidence to try and beat the market, so I don’t. But one of my favourite things is compounding.
 

Fenwick

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Location
Bretagne France
With no knowledge, I’d buy index trackers US, global etc... and keep dripping a bit in. Both myself and my wife have decent amounts that we slowly add to. It’s quite tax efficient too (well, better than not having the cash wrapped up in them anyway Imho). We have ISA, LISA and SIPP. I haven’t the time, skill or confidence to try and beat the market, so I don’t. But one of my favourite things is compounding.

Yeah this is pretty much how i sée things. investing in an index fund, such as thé CAC 40 or global.

Something compounding and passive. (I've already for a lot going on).

I just don't know if i should bé getting professionnel advice or doing it myself somewhere online.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Yeah this is pretty much how i sée things. investing in an index fund, such as thé CAC 40 or global.

Something compounding and passive. (I've already for a lot going on).

I just don't know if i should bé getting professionnel advice or doing it myself somewhere online.
I'd place a vote for professional advice (y)

Some would maybe wish to do it "all by myself" but there are a lot of very smart people out there who don't have the time to get the best out of their investments - that's where specialists and brokers are so useful.
A good one will coach you as you go, which is they best way to learn IMHO
 

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