In efficient utilities/businesses.

Boomerang

Member
Open reach guy turned up today came 30 plus miles ,he was involved in "plant protection "" or otherwords checking telegraph poles are not rotting, took hour per pole..
Another guy who lives down road is travelling
To Birmingham every day 100miles each way, works for open reach. Inefficient madness.
Also had a chemical delivery today ,there's a satellite store 2miles away, yet chemical company send an electric van 47 miles from main store, driver said his delivery route was 315 Miles, range is 160miles on a good day.
Had to stop twice for 30-40mins charge up to get around his route..
It's green allegedly. But at what cost ,and guess who's paying. ( they have 10 electric vans )
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
It started with privatization and the tendering process. Talk to anyone who works on the railways, they will travel hundreds of miles to do the smallest job simply because they won the tender. Same across all utilities.
Severn Trent Water were intending to carry out some maintenance on a main sewer here and needed flow rates monitored at regular intervals.

Subbies came down from Sheffield in the Van, 3 up, 2.5 hrs drive, spend 30mins here, then drove back. They were unable to get here the one time and got their Midlands team to come and do the job, 25mins from Wolverhampton :oops: Madness.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Usually a reason for most of it when you actually dig down into it.
Easy to see what look like inefficiencies with a casual glance, things may look a little different if you're the one actually having to do these things.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
It started with privatization and the tendering process. Talk to anyone who works on the railways, they will travel hundreds of miles to do the smallest job simply because they won the tender. Same across all utilities.

Back home, in North Gloucestershire, we had a railway run through the farm with a couple of level crossings. We had a fella come up from Swansea (2 hours travelling?) annually, to check our level crossing phones were working.
Then they decided that they needed to replace all the creosote fencing, that had been standing for 50+ years, with tantalised softwood posts. :banghead: The gang that came to do that were from Cornwall!
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Team of goodness knows came to put a kind of concrete roll mat over the spot where a gas main runs under a ditch. Ecologists etc. actual digging took half a day. Out of four days. When I asked them why the only covered one pipe rather than also doing the one next to it, got looks of confusion. Apparently that one is deep enough. So they've paid for the folk to be out, but would rather send a man on site every time we clear the ditch for the next thirty odd years than get a second roll of fancy carpet. Just haven't got a clue. "Land agent" must have only just been out of school and treated me like some kind of rural idiot.
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
Building development here had a leak over the weekend. Neighbour informed the company who sent a plumber - from Hull which is 4 hours drive (each way)
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
Brother in law works for BT as an analogue engineer. We were having some kind of upgrade done which needed an analogue engineer to come out. He came to us from Cambridge while my BiL sat at home with nothing to do, 30 miles from us.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Moderator
Location
Lichfield
Open reach guy turned up today came 30 plus miles ,he was involved in "plant protection "" or otherwords checking telegraph poles are not rotting, took hour per pole..
Another guy who lives down road is travelling
To Birmingham every day 100miles each way, works for open reach. Inefficient madness.
Also had a chemical delivery today ,there's a satellite store 2miles away, yet chemical company send an electric van 47 miles from main store, driver said his delivery route was 315 Miles, range is 160miles on a good day.
Had to stop twice for 30-40mins charge up to get around his route..
It's green allegedly. But at what cost ,and guess who's paying. ( they have 10 electric vans )

thing is they all seem to make a hell of a lot more £’s than farmers !

something to do with being price setters and not price takers i reckon
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
When I drove milk tankers, we used to travel empty an hour and a half up the road to pick up milk from farms that were within sight of a factory owned by another company and bring it back to base. On the way up we met tankers from that company heading down empty to pick up from within sight of our factory.
At the end of the year the payouts to farmers were very close to being the same 🤷‍♂️
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
Agriculture isn’t devoid of this type of inefficiency either. The one I like is the carrots grown along the Moray coast are shipped down to Lincolnshire for washing ,dressing and bagging. The bulkers carrying them south pass the curtainsiders carrying them back up north on the motorway.
 

Spear

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Devon
Several years ago the BT internet backbone went down and tripped out our exchange. Took them 8 days to send someone down from Sheffield to Devon to press the reset button. Why did it take so long? They had to train him first.
Apparently H&S meant they couldn’t send in an ordinary engineer to press the button.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
When I drove milk tankers, we used to travel empty an hour and a half up the road to pick up milk from farms that were within sight of a factory owned by another company and bring it back to base. On the way up we met tankers from that company heading down empty to pick up from within sight of our factory.
At the end of the year the payouts to farmers were very close to being the same 🤷‍♂️
Logs are my fave on the road.

See empty trucks and loaded trucks going each way; it takes me a moment to remember they're going to save the planet in this way, because it just looks like going around in circles with half-loads of logs (on average)
 

sjt01

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
We had some soil samples done recently for nitrogen in Spring. Catchment Sensitive Farming use ADAS for the sampling, so someone came from near Newark (about 100 miles) to sample one field. On top of that, as ADAS have new owners with their own rules, he had to be accompanied by someone trained in looking for pipes, wires with a CAT in case there were any where he was sampling (despite the field being in arable and subsoiled since we have had it 30+years). That person came from Yorkshire, Leeds I think. 450 miles travelling for one soil sample!
 

delilah

Member
Agriculture isn’t devoid of this type of inefficiency either. The one I like is the carrots grown along the Moray coast are shipped down to Lincolnshire for washing ,dressing and bagging. The bulkers carrying them south pass the curtainsiders carrying them back up north on the motorway.

You could write a book on the madness of today's supposedly highly efficient food system. In fact, people have.
 

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kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Agriculture isn’t devoid of this type of inefficiency either. The one I like is the carrots grown along the Moray coast are shipped down to Lincolnshire for washing ,dressing and bagging. The bulkers carrying them south pass the curtainsiders carrying them back up north on the motorway.
What's the solution, let folks only farm within a certain area and only produce things that can be processed and sold in that area.
Buy inputs locally and sell everything locally, even if you can get a better price further afield.
Wouldn't work would it.
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
What's the solution, let folks only farm within a certain area and only produce things that can be processed and sold in that area.
Buy inputs locally and sell everything locally, even if you can get a better price further afield.
Wouldn't work would it.
They used to process them locally factory would be within 10 to 15 miles of where they were grown and then distributed from there. Worked fine, local jobs for local produce and then distributed nationally. Much smaller carbon footprint but then the accountants got hold of it and everything has to be centralised and the sometimes false economies of scale.
 

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