India Bans wheat exports

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
We are always in famine. You know what happens when food is in short supply you eat less it’s simple. My last wheat here sold for £315 a tonne now its £380. People here don’t eat much meat generally it’s maize meal and spinach. Want to solve world hunger ? Plant cabbage and eat your greens.

Yep. UK meat will become more expensive. Problem is the social problem of getting the public to accept a Maccies is not on. Just been into Grantham to collect wife from railway station. As ever Maccies traffic is queuing into the main road, as it was last night at 6 pm when took daughter to the station. I will know society has changed when into Grantham and see no cars in Maccies.
 

Cowabunga

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Northern Kenya / Ethiopia are apparently already at famine.

I know the current focus is on "poor Ukraine" but they don't have quite the issues of getting asylum or world sympathy etc than those folk in Africa.
Ethiopia has a pattern of severe famine, sometimes killing up to a third of their population, stretching back centuries. Often exacerbated by war, mostly internal.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Ethiopia has a pattern of severe famine, sometimes killing up to a third of their population, stretching back centuries. Often exacerbated by war, mostly internal.
Northern Kenya is the same deal. The people there spend all their time shooting each other and stealing their livestock. Don’t feel sorry for them it’s self inflicted.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Yep. UK meat will become more expensive. Problem is the social problem of getting the public to accept a Maccies is not on. Just been into Grantham to collect wife from railway station. As ever Maccies traffic is queuing into the main road, as it was last night at 6 pm when took daughter to the station. I will know society has changed when into Grantham and see no cars in Maccies.
Change the ingredients from meat to plant with a bit of flavouring and everything will continue as before. Boris loves it when a plan comes together.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Devon
Yep. UK meat will become more expensive. Problem is the social problem of getting the public to accept a Maccies is not on. Just been into Grantham to collect wife from railway station. As ever Maccies traffic is queuing into the main road, as it was last night at 6 pm when took daughter to the station. I will know society has changed when into Grantham and see no cars in Maccies.

I'm not sure what kind of societal change you are thinking of.
We are always in famine. You know what happens when food is in short supply you eat less it’s simple. My last wheat here sold for £315 a tonne now its £380. People here don’t eat much meat generally it’s maize meal and spinach. Want to solve world hunger ? Plant cabbage and eat your greens.

I think it is a little more complicated than that.
Statistics are a very blunt instrument and don't indicate subtle changes or changes that haven't been noticed and therefore measured.
One of the first luxuries people spend on when their income rises would be 'better' food.
I would imagine one could evaluate the current state of the economy quite accurately by knowing the split in McDonald's sales, between the premium and value range.
 

Farmer Roy

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India six weeks ago: we've loads of wheat. Cone get our 12m t

India two weeks ago: we want your fertiliser....but not from Russia.

USDA wsde on Thursday: India will be a significant exporter in 2022/3

India two days ago: send trade deligations through Asia to do deals

India today: bans exports.

Just leaves one significant exporter of wheat next year. And one holder of stocks. That's Russia and China.

It's going to be a winter of discontent.

err, I think you are forgetting about North America & Australia ?
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
UN SDG 2 (Zero hunger) and 3 (global health and welfare) looking a tad shaky then......

At least the UN's goal 2 targets seem logical.
I wonder if anyone in Westminster has read them;


2.1 By 2030, end hunger and ensure access by all people, in particular the poor and people in vulnerable situations, including infants, to safe, nutritious and sufficient food all year round.

2.2 By 2030, end all forms of malnutrition, including achieving, by 2025, the internationally agreed targets on stunting and wasting in children under 5 years of age, and address the nutritional needs of adolescent girls, pregnant and lactating women and older persons.

2.3 By 2030, double the agricultural productivity and incomes of small-scale food producers, in particular women, indigenous peoples, family farmers, pastoralists and fishers, including through secure and equal access to land, other productive resources and inputs, knowledge, financial services, markets and opportunities for value addition and non-farm employment.

2.4 By 2030, ensure sustainable food production systems and implement resilient agricultural practices that increase productivity and production, that help maintain ecosystems, that strengthen capacity for adaptation to climate change, extreme weather, drought, flooding and other disasters and that progressively improve land and soil quality.
2.5 By 2020, maintain the genetic diversity of seeds, cultivated plants and farmed and domesticated animals and their related wild species, including through soundly managed and diversified seed and plant banks at the national, regional and international levels, and promote access to and fair and equitable sharing of benefits arising from the utilization of genetic resources and associated traditional knowledge, as internationally agreed.
2.A Increase investment, including through enhanced international cooperation, in rural infrastructure, agricultural research and extension services, technology development and plant and livestock gene banks in order to enhance agricultural productive capacity in developing countries, in particular least developed countries.
2.B Correct and prevent trade restrictions and distortions in world agricultural markets, including through the parallel elimination of all forms of agricultural export subsidies and all export measures with equivalent effect, in accordance with the mandate of the Doha Development Round.
2.C Adopt measures to ensure the proper functioning of food commodity markets and their derivatives and facilitate timely access to market information, including on food reserves, in order to help limit extreme food price volatility.

You would think it would be a good starting point for ELMS.
 

DrDunc

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Livestock Farmer
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Dunsyre
Change the ingredients from meat to plant with a bit of flavouring and everything will continue as before. Boris loves it when a plan comes together.
Where's all this extra land coming from to grow all these extra plants?

More plastic cities irrigated by extracting dwindling groundwater? Fed petrochemical cocktails of pesticides and growth promotors?
Processed, preserved, and packaged in yet more plastic before export across the planet?

Aye, I'll stick to saving the planet by eating red meat raised on grass grown here in the hills thank you. Hills that are too high for vegetables, grass that's fed from clover not chemicals

Burgers will soon enough all be made from dairy cross beef anyway. Beef that's bred from a tiny genetic pool of sires, finished in a precisely known timeframe and cost, permanently housed and susceptable to a plethora of diseases, just like chicken and pork
 

Lowland1

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Where's all this extra land coming from to grow all these extra plants?

More plastic cities irrigated by extracting dwindling groundwater? Fed petrochemical cocktails of pesticides and growth promotors?
Processed, preserved, and packaged in yet more plastic before export across the planet?

Aye, I'll stick to saving the planet by eating red meat raised on grass grown here in the hills thank you. Hills that are too high for vegetables, grass that's fed from clover not chemicals

Burgers will soon enough all be made from dairy cross beef anyway. Beef that's bred from a tiny genetic pool of sires, finished in a precisely known timeframe and cost, permanently housed and susceptable to a plethora of diseases, just like chicken and pork
Not at all one acre of potatoes feeds 40 times as many people as one acre of grass for cattle or sheep one acre of wheat feeds 20 people. Want to save the planet change your diet and that doesn’t mean eating factory manufactured fake meat. Do that and the UK can be self sufficient and will only need to import a small amount of specialty produce. If your land can’t grow crops you can continue with meat production. Look at India it’s self sufficient because it puts the food into the people rather than animals then people. It’s simple really. I eat meat and don’t believe in the Vegan agenda but I see lots of poor people everyday they survive but they don’t live on steak
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
I'm not sure what kind of societal change you are thinking of.


I think it is a little more complicated than that.
Statistics are a very blunt instrument and don't indicate subtle changes or changes that haven't been noticed and therefore measured.
One of the first luxuries people spend on when their income rises would be 'better' food.
I would imagine one could evaluate the current state of the economy quite accurately by knowing the split in McDonald's sales, between the premium and value range.
Feeding grain to produce white meat. I will leave red meat for the moment even though at least the Feed Conversion efficiency in chicken production is 1.7 to 1.
 

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

Improving farm safety is the key aim of HSENI’s and the FSP’s work and...
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