Ineos Grenadier and Land Rover Defender

Had a chance to look around both of these at the Festival of Speed at Goodwood last week. Is there anyone on here running the LR yet? And anyone tempted by the Grenadier when it becomes available next year?
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ski

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Can't get excited about the new defender, when I heard a reviewer waxing lyrically about the 'wade depth' thing I realised that LR think me so suggestible that I would find a useless gadget exciting. Quote for a new Disco with discount £56,000. I think if the Grenadier would last me 10 years I'll give one a go. ( I suspect they will be in short supply).
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer
Had a chance to look around both of these at the Festival of Speed at Goodwood last week. Is there anyone on here running the LR yet? And anyone tempted by the Grenadier when it becomes available next year? View attachment 973125
Yes, tempted by the Grenadier. But not until it has been available for 2-3 years, all the gremlins sorted out and the Company making it still doing so and still in business themselves.

I like the new Defender, but for too much over-the-top electrical stuff that will never get used and probably go wrong!
 

ski

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Yes, tempted by the Grenadier. But not until it has been available for 2-3 years, all the gremlins sorted out and the Company making it still doing so and still in business themselves.

I like the new Defender, but for too much over-the-top electrical stuff that will never get used and probably go wrong!

My trouble is my 64 plate disco is the wrong side of 150k miles with virtually no problems. I feel it is time to change but there is nothing that really appeals now.
 

Nithsdale Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Defender is far too expensive for what it is.
I get it having all the tech. I get the point. But I don't get why there's no (proper) stripped out entry level machine in the £25k-£30k bracket as some sort of homage to the series-90/110-old Defender.

There's both a 90 and 110 local (keep meaning to pull up beside the 110 in my old 110 just to see them side by side). From some angles I like them, from others not so much. But yeah once they're proven (sort out gremlins) I'd quite like one



Not fussed by the Grenadier at all. Lots of good points about it but it just isn't what it claims to be and has no connection to the past it's trying to steal. I also think it will be over priced for what it is
 

hally

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Location
cumbria
Would be interested in the grenadier, certainly looks more agricultural than the defender and not having to deal with the fancy Land Rover dealers would be a bonus. I need a vehicle that gets used off-road everyday, a lot of towing and general abuse and I am not sure if either just qualify yet….but time will tell, just be patient.
 

Nithsdale Farmer

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Would be interested in the grenadier, certainly looks more agricultural than the defender and not having to deal with the fancy Land Rover dealers would be a bonus. I need a vehicle that gets used off-road everyday, a lot of towing and general abuse and I am not sure if either just qualify yet….but time will tell, just be patient.

In fairness to LR, the Defender - in stock, straight out of the factory - is a more capable machine, off road, than the old Defender ever was.



But I agree with you. I've a 110 single cab pickup. I've yet to see any other vehicle which can do what it can. Lots come close, bit nothing betters it for me and what I'm doing
 

Clive

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The Grenadier seems to be the defender that most farmers complained JLR were not building

So I expect it to be hated my most on here ! probably for no good reason whatsoever

it’s British and looks great to me, seems to be a sensible price vs COMPARABLE NEW alternatives ( not a used Toyota hilux etc !) Seriously what’s not to like ?
 
In fairness to LR, the Defender - in stock, straight out of the factory - is a more capable machine, off road, than the old Defender ever was.



But I agree with you. I've a 110 single cab pickup. I've yet to see any other vehicle which can do what it can. Lots come close, bit nothing betters it for me and what I'm doing

The old argument: 'only the Defender can do X thing'- I believe this is all in folk's imaginations because the North American and Australian markets and respective militaries have their own range of vehicles and manage without any 90 or 100 Defender. It is not beyond the whit of man to design a drivetrain with locking diffs each end.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
The Grenadier seems to be the defender that most farmers complained JLR were not building

So I expect it to be hated my most on here ! probably for no good reason whatsoever

it’s British and looks great to me, seems to be a sensible price vs COMPARABLE NEW alternatives ( not a used Toyota hilux etc !) Seriously what’s not to like ?

There is absolutely nothing British about it apart from the company's chief executive officer being born and bred English. Both he and most of his companies are domiciled overseas in the EU although he changes his official location often to suit his politics and reduce taxation.
 

hally

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Location
cumbria
In fairness to LR, the Defender - in stock, straight out of the factory - is a more capable machine, off road, than the old Defender ever was.



But I agree with you. I've a 110 single cab pickup. I've yet to see any other vehicle which can do what it can. Lots come close, bit nothing betters it for me and what I'm doing
I have a nagging doubt about heavy towing with these new monocoque chassis vehicles such as new land rovers, our D5 smooth as silk towing a caravan at 70mph but if you put a solid Ifor dropside on it loaded with something heavy you can feel every bump coming into the cabin. I prefer towing heavy stuff with my double cab as the separate chassis seems to cushion bangs and clatters and isolate them from coming into the cabin. The Grenadier has such a separate chassis but that’s just my opinion. With regards to being British, is there much between them, one built in France, one in Slovakia but both designed in the UK.
 

Nithsdale Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
The old argument: 'only the Defender can do X thing'- I believe this is all in folk's imaginations because the North American and Australian markets and respective militaries have their own range of vehicles and manage without any 90 or 100 Defender. It is not beyond the whit of man to design a drivetrain with locking diffs each end.


Total c*nt trying to pull away on a steep gravel road end in a pickup without having to engage 4wd... then stop and knock it out afterwards.

Defender and Mitsu have same drive system and pull away fine. Mitsu can be run in 4wd at full road speeds too - but sadly it's towing limitations take the pee.

Couldn't care less what's available around the rest of the world. it's what we have here that matters to me I've driven/used both my Defender pickup and the others. As I said, a single cab pickup comes close to the 110 but it just isn't quite there
 
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Nithsdale Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
I have a nagging doubt about heavy towing with these new monocoque chassis vehicles such as new land rovers, our D5 smooth as silk towing a caravan at 70mph but if you put a solid Ifor dropside on it loaded with something heavy you can feel every bump coming into the cabin. I prefer towing heavy stuff with my double cab as the separate chassis seems to cushion bangs and clatters and isolate them from coming into the cabin. The Grenadier has such a separate chassis but that’s just my opinion. With regards to being British, is there much between them, one built in France, one in Slovakia but both designed in the UK.


D5 will have a ladder chassis doesn't it??

Your double back pickup has a half and half ladder/monocoque job. Only the tub unbolts and lifts off - the cab section forward is all part of the chassis.


I'm keeping well out of the 'British' argument 🤣
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
D5 will have a ladder chassis doesn't it??

Your double back pickup has a half and half ladder/monocoque job. Only the tub unbolts and lifts off - the cab section forward is all part of the chassis.


I'm keeping well out of the 'British' argument 🤣

The D5 is a monocoque.
Double cabs almost always have a seperate chassis and I cannot think of a single 1 ton pickup that sells in the UK that is a monocoque. No half and half's. This may change in future. The new small Ford available in the USA and ditto the Honda Ridgeline are monocoque but they neither carry a ton nor are available in the UK or indeed Europe.
 

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